AR-15 stock - Slide Fire (Very risky, likely multiburst trigger activator for CA)

[Mtnmanca]

Does anyone know if the 'slide fire' stock is legal in california? I've been checking around to see if it is or isn't but haven't found anything yet

[barrage]

Sticky in Centerfire Rifles section. No, they're not legal if you choose to recognize California's illegal gun laws.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=527201

[MissiontoMars]

From their website:

http://www.slidefire.com/faqs

www.slidefire.comwww.nraila.org/gun-laws.aspx to learn more or contact your State Department of Justice. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the consumer to know the current laws and regulations of their state.

[MissiontoMars]

Existing thread might provide some info:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=379601

[Wiz-of-Awd]

Just a suggestion, stay away from such things and just put a good trigger in your rifle.

Then, practice, train with it and repeat - from now until you're too old to shoot or fight anymore.

A.W.D.

[bwiese]

The Slide Fire stock will readily be considered a 'multiburst trigger activator' under CA law.

The CA MBTA definition - SlideFire's "viewpoint" that it isn't a 'trigger activator' is irrelevant - is broad, and
includes anything that increases rate of fire, whether or not it actually is part of the trigger mechanism, etc.

A CA judge will readily regard this device as increasing rate of fire: gun A with no SlideFire will be fired manually
and get X rounds per second, maybe 10% more if 'bump fired' correctly [and which will not be consistent and will
have a tad of sporadic up & down nature in its rate.] Gun B with a SlideFire will be operated without much if any
manipulation and, say, 1.5X fire rate will easily be demonstrated. SlideFire sales/marketing videos will also be shown
touting rates. Boom, guilty - along with insinuations in the background giving aura of 'machineguns', which are
also supported by the marketing videos.

While a CA DOJ spokeswoman for AG Kamala Harris during the Yee SB249 etc fiasco was questioned about it on a TV
interview and correctly responded that no case law had established it as such, she did express significant concerns
about its CA legality.

I regard SlideFire's assertion "has not been notified by any state" as insincere weasel words to maintain sales... and
which should really be translated to, "We will not be notified until we hear someone is arrested and convicted, because
it's rare that illegal devices are voluntarily identified across state lines as part of random market sampling."

BTW, this is not just me speaking. The severe concerns that the SlideFire devices are CA MBTAs are shared by _at least_
one noted CA firearms lawyer.

Note that such MBTA devices are likely considerable as separately intrinsically illegal whether or not they are mounted or
attached to a gun or that a matching gun is even owned or available to the SlideFire owner: they have their own entry
in the list of "thou shalt not haves" in the former 12020(c)(...) section of Very Bad Items.

Someday, there will be a CA gunshop that will sell Tannerite, SlideFire stocks, magnetic BulletButton overrides like the AR
TacMagnet etc., and muzzle adapters for oil filters. I've seen booths at CA gunshows with at least 2 and just shake my
head in amazement.

[JDay]

Simple possession of one is a felony. CA law classifies it as a "multi-burst trigger activator". You don't even have to own a firearm to be charged.

[Chewy65]

Do you have a machine gun if you have an AR-15 and a bump-stock in your possession, whether or not the bump-stock is on the AR-15? Slide-Fire claims that the BATFE approves its products, but read the letter.

Accordingly, we find that the "bump-stock" is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under the Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act.

Look at the definition of a "Machine Gun" in 26 USC 5845(b):

The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

I may be reading this all wrong, and wonder how BATFE could write a letter like that if it thought the assembled gun was a machine gun, but wonder what a firearms attorney would opine.

[WaffleMachine]

Do you have a machine gun if you have an AR-15 and a bump-stock in your possession, whether or not the bump-stock is on the AR-15? Slide-Fire claims that the BATFE approves its products, but read the letter.

Look at the definition of a "Machine Gun" in 26 USC 5845(b):



I may be reading this all wrong, and wonder how BATFE could write a letter like that if it thought the assembled gun was a machine gun, but wonder what a firearms attorney would opine.

It's not the BATFE issue, it's the CADOJ who says it's evil.