unfinished 80% lower

[Jimi Jah]

Plastic or metal 3D printers are not like CNC machines.
They don't mill.

Did Excremento miss this or was that law written before they came about?

[morthrane]

Not to hijack but do we know if this applies to AK/HK flats as well?

Or how does it apply to any vendor that sells a steel shovel blade.

[billyjoblack]

Soooo? my 79.9% receiver is ok.... see how stupid and childish this is .... But seriously...is a 79% receiver not Affected by this ?

[Quiet]

Soooo? my 79.9% receiver is ok.... see how stupid and childish this is .... But seriously...is a 79% receiver not Affected by this ?

"1-80% receiver" = firearm precursor part
"81%-100% receiver" = firearm

[AreWeNotMen?]

1.
If nothing is done, starting 01-01-2024, he will be in criminal possession of an illegal firearm precursor part, which is subject to confiscation/destruction if discovered by CA LEOs.

2.
He can do it legally or illegally.

In order to be legal, he needs to get approval from CA DOJ and receive approved marking info from CA DOJ.
After he gets approval, he has 10 days to engrave the receiver with the CA DOJ approved marking info and submit proof that it was done to CA DOJ.
The self-made firearm needs to be configured as a CA legal firearm and its final configuration needs to be updated with CA DOJ within 30 days of receiving approval from CA DOJ.

3.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/usna

4.
It can be surrendered at a Gov/LE "gun buy back".

Thank you Quiet!

Following up:

1. Beyond confiscation/destruction, is he subject to arrest? Misdemeanor or felony?

2. After approval from CA DOJ and getting the marking done and submitting proof to DOJ, can he just stop there and keep it as a "compliant paper weight"? He doesn't want to mess with the milling process, doesn't need another lower, and doesn't want to be forced to get rid of it (principle I think).

3. Thanks for the link.

4. If he does nothing before 1/1/24, can he later turn it in at a Gov/LE "gun buy back" without consequence?

[darkwater34]

Nobody knows how the SCOTUS will rule on the A.T.F's Frames and Receivers regulations. And it really doesn't look too good, considering recent SCOTUS decisions Governor Newscum is using the same tyrannical tactics that King George did to the colonists when it came to unfinished rmusket barrels.So until the ruling comes down then we will be stuck with these tyrannical laws. All we can hope for is that Buren prevails.

[fishgoh0nk]

Would it be possible to move 80% frames out of state? Sorry in advance as I haven't been following along with the precursory parts legislation.

The verbiage is confusing, saying a precursory part is a firearm, but firearms can't be transferred without FFL, but it's not until 1/1/2024 that possession of the precursory part becomes illegal. Is it considered a firearm now so that it cannot be taken/shipped/transferred out of state?

1.
If nothing is done, starting 01-01-2024, he will be in criminal possession of an illegal firearm precursor part, which is subject to confiscation/destruction if discovered by CA LEOs.

2.
He can do it legally or illegally.

In order to be legal, he needs to get approval from CA DOJ and receive approved marking info from CA DOJ.
After he gets approval, he has 10 days to engrave the receiver with the CA DOJ approved marking info and submit proof that it was done to CA DOJ.
The self-made firearm needs to be configured as a CA legal firearm and its final configuration needs to be updated with CA DOJ within 30 days of receiving approval from CA DOJ.

3.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/usna

4.
It can be surrendered at a Gov/LE "gun buy back".

[Quiet]

Would it be possible to move 80% frames out of state? Sorry in advance as I haven't been following along with the precursory parts legislation.

The verbiage is confusing, saying a precursory part is a firearm, but firearms can't be transferred without FFL, but it's not until 1/1/2024 that possession of the precursory part becomes illegal. Is it considered a firearm now so that it cannot be taken/shipped/transferred out of state?

In order to be 100% CA legal, transport out-of-state for storage/transfer needs to be done before 01-01-2024.

Starting 01-01-2024, possession will be illegal within CA.
So if discovered transporting them in CA (even if traveling out-of-state), can lead to criminal charges and confiscation.

CA considers them to be firearms.
Which is why, within CA, they must be transferred through a CA FFL dealer.

Transfer of them, while in another State, requires compliance with Federal laws/regulations and that State's laws/regulations.

[fishgoh0nk]

Clears things up for me, thanks! So hypothetically, instead of disposal, relinquishment to LEO, I could move an unfinished frame into a free state legally before 1/1/2024?

In order to be 100% CA legal, transport out-of-state for storage/transfer needs to be done before 01-01-2024.

Starting 01-01-2024, possession will be illegal within CA.
So if discovered transporting them in CA (even if traveling out-of-state), can lead to criminal charges and confiscation.

CA considers them to be firearms.
Which is why, within CA, they must be transferred through a CA FFL dealer.

Transfer of them, while in another State, requires compliance with Federal laws/regulations and that State's laws/regulations.

[sixgunner]

AK flat

Curious is a AK flat considered a 80%? Before its bent.

[splithoof]

Clears things up for me, thanks! So hypothetically, instead of disposal, relinquishment to LEO, I could move an unfinished frame into a free state legally before 1/1/2024?

Yes.

Y?all remember how for many years a gentleman goes down into Los Angeles around Christmas time and hands out $100 dollar bills??I would like to do that with a truckload of 80% stuff, handing them out like candy to anyone (18 yrs old) who simply wants one. The democrats can choke on that like a bag of donkey dicks.

[nick]

I know really nerdy folks who you would not think even owned guns and none of their pistols or rifles are serialized. The idea being if the state decided to confiscate guns , you?ve got something they don?t know you have. I was surprised.
Every time Feinstein proposed to ban assault weapons , people bought more.
FWiW , the 80% Glocks seem glitchy. The AR?s and AR pistols work just fine.
The state has bigger problems.

Some folks here seem to bask in saying ? I would never break the unjust law?.

80% Glocks (at least, the Polymer80 ones) work very well.

[downyours]

Sorry to revive a thread but a friend is in the process of filling out the application for a serial number on an uncompleted lower he has had for some time and cant get past a question "Date of Manufacture". Anyone have any ideas what to put since it is not complete and there are no dates on it?

[Dave Hill]

Plastic or metal 3D printers are not like CNC machines.
They don't mill.

Did Excremento miss this or was that law written before they came about?

Excremento. So polite . so polite !!

[chris]

Or how does it apply to any vendor that sells a steel shovel blade.

Or all those shovels people posses across the state for I dunno working in their yards or businesses.