Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

[Librarian]

The thread has drifted from the case to politics, and that's off-topic for this forum.

Feel free to start a new thread in http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=71; realize it's pretty much old ground, with some different named players.

[varanidguy]

Precisely the thinking that ensured Clinton lost and Trump won, just the other way around. Most of those independents who voted for the Green Party lean left, but wouldn't vote for Clinton. She lost, and that played a part in it.

If you want to take your ball and go home, instead of grimacing, holding your nose, and voting for your best available option, you are just helping your opponent.

Good for you, you stuck to your beliefs, and ultimately helped your opponent. Pretty sure the libs learned their lesson from 2016, and will vote for anyone on the ticket, just to beat Trump. And that's what it takes.

And by the way, you are wrong about Republicans. While California and 7 other blue states have certainly gotten worse, the rest of the US enjoys INCREASED gun rights, not lesser rights.

What I oppose is gun control, so that means I oppose the Republicans. Trump in his tenure so far has caused more damage than good to the 2A. The Republicans are limp members when it comes to the 2A - and other civil rights. YOUR way of thinking is of the old guard that got us here. Remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

[gumby]

I've been a registered Libertarian for forty years so I understand third parties. I'll bet no one here can even name a Libertarian cadidate for national office. In my opinion they embarest themselves with the idiots they ran in 2016. In my younger dumber days I worked to try to get a few elected. The more I interacted with them the more I realized that even if one of them won nothing would change. I voted for Trump because he wasn't the same old goods. You can see how much he is hated by the swamp. Kinda proves he is trying to change things. I will vote for him again because he has more to do. It is hard to get anything done when everyone in Washington is trying to destroy you. I'm hoping his second term he won't have to worry about reelection so if we can get him some more votes in the house and build on our hold on the senate. We can get the courts straightened out and pass some real pro second amendment bills. I know some on here will call me crazy and stupid but look at your other choice. Get involved and vote. In Ca. it's a good way to give the finger to all the vultures in Sacramento.

PS. Blame spell check.

I agree 100%. At least the enemy will know we aren't defeated.

[homelessdude]

I've been a registered Libertarian for forty years so I understand third parties. I'll bet no one here can even name a Libertarian cadidate for national office. In my opinion they embarest themselves with the idiots they ran in 2016. In my younger dumber days I worked to try to get a few elected. The more I interacted with them the more I realized that even if one of them won nothing would change. I voted for Trump because he wasn't the same old goods. You can see how much he is hated by the swamp. Kinda proves he is trying to change things. I will vote for him again because he has more to do. It is hard to get anything done when everyone in Washington is trying to destroy you. I'm hoping his second term he won't have to worry about reelection so if we can get him some more votes in the house and build on our hold on the senate. We can get the courts straightened out and pass some real pro second amendment bills. I know some on here will call me crazy and stupid but look at your other choice. Get involved and vote. In Ca. it's a good way to give the finger to all the vultures in Sacramento.

PS. Blame spell check.

[sulla123]

No, Republicans don't give a crap about the 2A (and other important issues), so they don't deserve my vote. They have failed to do anything relevant to help out this community, and have only hurt us.

Precisely the thinking that ensured Clinton lost and Trump won, just the other way around. Most of those independents who voted for the Green Party lean left, but wouldn't vote for Clinton. She lost, and that played a part in it.

If you want to take your ball and go home, instead of grimacing, holding your nose, and voting for your best available option, you are just helping your opponent.

Good for you, you stuck to your beliefs, and ultimately helped your opponent. Pretty sure the libs learned their lesson from 2016, and will vote for anyone on the ticket, just to beat Trump. And that's what it takes.

And by the way, you are wrong about Republicans. While California and 7 other blue states have certainly gotten worse, the rest of the US enjoys INCREASED gun rights, not lesser rights.

[varanidguy]

republicans are merely feeble when it comes to 2a, but democrats are actively against 2a, so i'm not sure how that works out, unless you mean not voting for either

No sir, the Democrats can all kiss it, to put it politely.

[johncage]

No, Republicans don't give a crap about the 2A (and other important issues), so they don't deserve my vote. They have failed to do anything relevant to help out this community, and have only hurt us.

republicans are merely feeble when it comes to 2a, but democrats are actively against 2a, so i'm not sure how that works out, unless you mean not voting for either

[Harry Ono]

Not shocked. I suppose gun owners could riot, burn buildings and cop cars, loot, beat people, etc. Seems to working for some...

Only works for over emotional teen girls. Old farts are excluded,

[320iN54]

No, Republicans don't give a crap about the 2A (and other important issues), so they don't deserve my vote. They have failed to do anything relevant to help out this community, and have only hurt us.

See how well your so-called "democrats" are doing to Seattle right now. Keep voting for dems and CHAZ wont just be in a single state. Itll happen to the whole goddamn country.

[Offwidth]

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Wouldn't change the outcome of the election (because that's based on winner-take-all Electoral College votes which are all going to the Democratic Party anyway),

MUCH better would be to do this to Green Party, not Libertarians. Greens would siphon votes away from democrats.

[varanidguy]

The Republican party is a 3rd party in California. The two biggest parties in California are Democrats and NPP ..

If you want to make a 3rd party bigger just vote Republican.

No, Republicans don't give a crap about the 2A (and other important issues), so they don't deserve my vote. They have failed to do anything relevant to help out this community, and have only hurt us.

[abinsinia]

Exactly this. IMO, throwing your vote away is voting for the status quo, red vs blue, no other choice. The amount of ground being lost, the broken promises by the R's...this should be a big enough signal but apparently it isn't. Two years the R's had to solidify and expand the 2A, like they promised during campaigns, and they didn't do a single thing, and Trump enacts gun control with executive fiat.

Nobody can convince me to go with the R's now. They're in the same boat with the D's.

The Republican party is a 3rd party in California. The two biggest parties in California are Democrats and NPP ..

If you want to make a 3rd party bigger just vote Republican.

[varanidguy]

If everyone who voted Republican in deep blue states (like California) in 2016 voted 3rd Party (Libertarian) instead of Republican in the General Election, that would get the Libertarian Party around 15% of the popular vote, which is more than enough to secure federal funding for the party.

Wouldn't change the outcome of the election (because that's based on winner-take-all Electoral College votes which are all going to the Democratic Party anyway), but it would provide much-needed funding to that 3rd Party such that it would elevate their profile significantly - then maybe that would push the Republican Party towards a more civil Libertarian mindset to try and court those votes back, or maybe even to pick a Libertarian to be the running mate.

Then your vote wouldn't be wasted in a state that's gonna go blue anyway.

Exactly this. IMO, throwing your vote away is voting for the status quo, red vs blue, no other choice. The amount of ground being lost, the broken promises by the R's...this should be a big enough signal but apparently it isn't. Two years the R's had to solidify and expand the 2A, like they promised during campaigns, and they didn't do a single thing, and Trump enacts gun control with executive fiat.

Nobody can convince me to go with the R's now. They're in the same boat with the D's.

[dark_hatchling]

So if the new roster changes (AB 2847) is signed into law, couldn't one re-submit a new lawsuit since it's a change to the original lawsuit (going from 2 areas to microstamp down to 1)? If so, someone should put it up for legal battle and make sure it ends up on Benitez's bench. At least he could write a better argument for the courts when the state re-appeals.

Sure. Let's see what happens in 2030.


CA in 2030: what are guns?

[kuug]

So if the new roster changes (AB 2847) is signed into law, couldn't one re-submit a new lawsuit since it's a change to the original lawsuit (going from 2 areas to microstamp down to 1)? If so, someone should put it up for legal battle and make sure it ends up on Benitez's bench. At least he could write a better argument for the courts when the state re-appeals.

Yes we can file a new lawsuit at any time. It would still require our side to spend ungodly amounts of money and at least seven years to reach the supreme court again.