Gun muzzling during stagecoach "holdup"

[oakdalecurtis]

You're right Couch, people are complicated.

[oakdalecurtis]

Your over emotional analogy doesn't hold up. You admitted the fact the guns on used on the stagecoach were rendered inoperable. This is a completely different situation than handing your friend an unloaded operable firearm.

We did not know the gun was inoperable at the time and it certainly looked very real, since it was.

[CouchOperator]

We did not know the gun was inoperable at the time and it certainly looked very real, since it was.

So did you present your CCW? Did you throw your wallet on the ground? A prudent person typically would defend their life and their family if they genuinely thought they had live guns maliciously pointed at them. If you genuinely thought they were live guns and your family was in danger, why would you just wait to make a complaint later? I can imagine the headlines now...

[Lonestargrizzly]

[Jimi Jah]

Next time stay home and watch it on the Travel Channel. Some people have too many nit's to pick.

[oakdalecurtis]

The "holdup" was going along just fine with the bandit holding his real handgun pointing skyward, I'm just not sure why it was necessary to point it at our faces to sell the robbery, is that too hard to grasp? Would you be ok with someone you didn't know, using a gun you hadn't checked, without prior consent, his finger on the trigger, pointing the barrel at you and your family's faces, just because it was all part of an "act"? That's all I was asking.

[PolishMike]

The "holdup" was going along just fine with the bandit holding his real handgun pointing skyward, I'm just not sure why it was necessary to point it at our faces to sell the robbery, is that too hard to grasp? Would you be ok with someone you didn't know, using a gun you hadn't checked, without prior consent, his finger on the trigger, pointing the barrel at you and your family's faces, just because it was all part of an "act"? That's all I was asking.

You didn't defend yourself or disarm the guy so you either:

knew it was part of an act and knew you were safe
or
don't care about your life or your grandkids.

In a setting like that it is fine. No need to write letters or call owners. Do you go to haunted houses and complain about the blood because you don't know if it is real? It really seems like you are going out of your way to make this a big deal and ruin it for everyone else.

[Lonestargrizzly]

The "holdup" was going along just fine with the bandit holding his real handgun pointing skyward, I'm just not sure why it was necessary to point it at our faces to sell the robbery, is that too hard to grasp? Would you be ok with someone you didn't know, using a gun you hadn't checked, without prior consent, his finger on the trigger, pointing the barrel at you and your family's faces, just because it was all part of an "act"? That's all I was asking.

Yes.

[71MUSTY]

The "holdup" was going along just fine with the bandit holding his real handgun pointing skyward, I'm just not sure why it was necessary to point it at our faces to sell the robbery, is that too hard to grasp? Would you be ok with someone you didn't know, using a gun you hadn't checked, without prior consent, his finger on the trigger, pointing the barrel at you and your family's faces, just because it was all part of an "act"? That's all I was asking.

Yes, I would. You do realize every time you are walking behind me you are potentially muzzle swept with a loaded 10mm and even so the sun still rises.

I learned long ago to focus on the important things in life and let the little things go.

[IVC]

Tough crowd.

The OP had a legitimate question and a legitimate concern. Just because it's "part of the act" doesn't mean anyone really thought it through. If professional production can end up leaving a squib in front of blanks (Brandon Lee death), why would you assume that in this case it was all done correctly?

Having concern and asking about it afterwards is far from irrational. It's not as if the OP demanded anything or made a stink about it.

[readysetgo]

There's a correct mixture here somewhere.

I'll just agree with being proud of the grandkids.

1) Awareness (they noticed the safety rule)
2) They spoke up (everyone is responsible for safety)

I might've addressed something like this "That's a great observation kids, I'm really proud that you noticed that and said something. Always feel free to question what's going on around you. In this case we've chosen to participate in this "recreation/act" etc etc"

Good job grandpa on instilling firearms safety and responsibility to your family.

I'd rather be shooting on the line next to these kids than some alternatives (probably even some posters in this thread ).

[IrishJoe3]

We did not know the gun was inoperable at the time and it certainly looked very real, since it was.

And yet, you willingly paid to be part of an act where you would be robbed. At gun point.

Please do us a favor and do not participate in future such events so you don't ruin it for the rest of us

[RandyD]

In my opinion, this is an example of firearm owners engaging in our own version of political correctness. For years I have been receiving Dillon Precision's Blue Press, and I cringe every time a reader writes to the publication to point out how a female model, was unsafely holding a firearm in a photo. These remarks accomplish nothing, they are hypertensive and reflect that the writer seems to be looking for some validation for being a safety minded individual.

I am glad these remarks did not exist when I was a kid, or I would have never enjoyed playing cowboys and indians, or cops and robbers or enacting WWII battles in our neighborhood.

[9mmepiphany]

Can you say honestly that looking down a barrel that's sweeping your faces wouldn't still cause you the slightest internal concerns?

Yes I can, because I'm not consumed by the "Rules". They weren't meant to be absolute, they were meant to be guidelines to safe gunhandling.

Your concern is just a step above folks who worry about being "swept" by a holstered gun.

I will add that this ingrained training isn't all that rare. When I attended a LE academy, there was a lot of yelling involved to get trainees to point guns at the "bad guys" during scenario training

[oakdalecurtis]

Thank you IVC and Readysetgo for your comments, you seem to have gotten it. I'm not sure how asking a question of fellow shooters "ruins" anything for anyone or has anything to do with PC, and I'm the one being called "sensitive". Lol
By the way, bonus question. Can anyone tell me what Jon-Eric Hexum, Brandon Lee, Johann Ofner, Antonio Velasco, Tucker Thayer and Keaway Ivy have in common?