Renew COE. Where to Enter FFL-03 Info

[G. Freeman]

Hello Guys,

I'm renewing my COE. But on the CFARS website, there's no place to enter my FFL-03 number. I want to prevent the incomplete notice that I had a headache dealing with last year.

Would you know the place for me to enter this info?

Thanks in advance!

[dfletcher]

My C&R FFL expired shortly before COE renewal. I went to "User Profile" and updated the expiration date then saved. I then sent a separate e-mail with the new FFL number.

IIRC I also uploaded to "Documents" in the drop down box.

[sbo80]

I added a copy of my 03 as an attachment. There's not a "choice" for it, so just pick something else. I think I picked "court documents" or something weird. They didn't write back, they just approved it on the first submission.
Do note that others have the same success, on a similar timeline, waiting for the rejection email and responding back with "it isn't required". Giving them the number doesn't seem to make it go faster, just saves an email.

[beachbaker]

I also just updated my 03 in my profile and renewed without a problem.

[DrewN]

I'm pretty sure they only ask for your 03 if you check "collector". Not 100% sure,mind.

[G. Freeman]

Hi Guys, yeah I uploaded my CDL, and tried to upload a word doc with my FFL info but it would not allow to upload under other documents.

Was I doing something wrong? It seemed the site would only allow 1 document to be uploaded when renewing.

Eventually entered the FFL-3# under user profile. However the expiration is a week after my COE expiration (FFL3 being renewed too).

Did I do okay?

[19K]

Don’t give them your C&R number. It’s none of their business.

Ask them to provide the PC requiring you to give them a C&R FFL 03 number. They will not reply and then process your COE.

Don’t give them anything more than what is required by law. My COE was not delayed, not withheld, not denied. No one’s is when they refuse to give that info.

This is what I and many other send to the DOJ when they ask for the number.

CFARS has notified me that my COE application is incomplete, indicating that I must submit an FFL-03 license to complete processing.

I have never been asked for this information during initial application. Would you please provide me with the reasons and authorities for requiring this information? As my COE expires within 30 days, I would appreciate a response to this request within the next 10 days.

Alternatively, please accept the documentation I have submitted as meeting the stated requirements of statute and regulation and complete processing of my COE.

[sbo80]

That's a fine notion, but it doesn't mean much. The number is required on pretty much every other form. The C&R acquisition forms, DROS gets a copy if you are wanting an exemption. So you aren't "protecting" yourself from anything or keeping it a secret. It's not required, sure. And their system sucks as they probably already have it elsewhere. But "they" also have your driver license info and they make you type that in, plus add a copy of it. Every year. Yes they suck.

[19K]

That's a fine notion, but it doesn't mean much. The number is required on pretty much every other form. The C&R acquisition forms, DROS gets a copy if you are wanting an exemption. So you aren't "protecting" yourself from anything or keeping it a secret. It's not required, sure. And their system sucks as they probably already have it elsewhere. But "they" also have your driver license info and they make you type that in, plus add a copy of it. Every year. Yes they suck.

[Dvrjon]

That's a fine notion, but it doesn't mean much. The number is required on pretty much every other form. The C&R acquisition forms, DROS gets a copy if you are wanting an exemption. So you aren't "protecting" yourself from anything or keeping it a secret. It's not required, sure. And their system sucks as they probably already have it elsewhere. But "they" also have your driver license info and they make you type that in, plus add a copy of it. Every year. Yes they suck.

The DROS paperwork doesn't contain your FFL-03 license number.

California Department of Justice
Bureau of Firearms
DES Application – Firearms and Ammunition Dealer User Guide
Page 51/52

Quote:
CURIO/RELIC HANDGUN SALE
Select the Curio/Relic Handgun Sale transaction type when the handgun being purchased meets the Curio/Relic handgun definition.

To submit a Curio/Relic Handgun Sale Transaction:
1) From the Main Menu page, select the Submit DROS link. The Select Transaction Type page will display.
2) Select the Curio/Relic Handgun Sale link. The Submit Curio/Relic Handgun Sale form will display.
3) Enter the Purchaser Information (see Entering Purchaser and Seller Information above).
4) Enter the Transaction and Firearm Information as follows:
a. Gun Show Transaction – Select Yes or No from the drop down list.
b. Waiting Period Exemption – If applicable, select a waiting period exemption:
• CFD Number – Select CFD from the drop down list if the purchaser is an
active licensed firearm dealer. Selecting the CFD number waiting period
exemption displays a Purchaser CFD Number field. Enter the purchaser’s
valid CFD number.
• Collector – This waiting period exemption requires a valid 03 FFL and
COE. Enter the purchaser’s valid COE. You must keep a copy of the 03 FFL and COE on file.

[sbo80]

^thanks for the clarity, I guess I over exaggerated. Seems the FFL keeps a copy of your 03 but doesn't actually send it on to the DOJ. I didn't know that part, just that I've always handed it over.
The other part is still valid. BOF961 (Collector In-State Acquisition) and BOF4100 (C&R Firearm Report) both explicitly require your # on the form. Those of us that do transactions without DROS, already give up our number. If you don't do those and are only using your 03 for ammo purchases and skipping 10-day waits, then I guess you can continue to keep your FFL# a secret from DOJ.

[Dvrjon]

^thanks for the clarity, I guess I over exaggerated. Seems the FFL keeps a copy of your 03 but doesn't actually send it on to the DOJ. I didn't know that part, just that I've always handed it over.
The other part is still valid. BOF961 (Collector In-State Acquisition) and BOF4100 (C&R Firearm Report) both explicitly require your # on the form. Those of us that do transactions without DROS, already give up our number. If you don't do those and are only using your 03 for ammo purchases and skipping 10-day waits, then I guess you can continue to keep your FFL# a secret from DOJ.

Please don't misunderstand the issue here.

It's not about keeping the FFL-03 secret, it's about telling DOJ they've overstepped their authority and you are not going to comply. Every time they've asked for my FFL-03 I've responded with, "Why?", they've issued within days.

Moreover, a few months ago, I bought three pistols working with a Sportsman's manager with whom I'd dealt before. When I went in to pick up the guns, he told me DOJ called and wanted to know how I was able to purchase 3 guns at the same time. He had to explain their process to them.

It's just another example of either willfully looking for opportunities to stop purchases and infringe on rights, or it's gross stupidity due to lack of training...they don't even know where to look in their own "books".

If one wishes to reward incompetence or simply support the usurpation of one's rights, then, folks should continue submitting to the illegal demands.

Best.

[19K]

^thanks for the clarity, I guess I over exaggerated. Seems the FFL keeps a copy of your 03 but doesn't actually send it on to the DOJ. I didn't know that part, just that I've always handed it over.
The other part is still valid. BOF961 (Collector In-State Acquisition) and BOF4100 (C&R Firearm Report) both explicitly require your # on the form. Those of us that do transactions without DROS, already give up our number. If you don't do those and are only using your 03 for ammo purchases and skipping 10-day waits, then I guess you can continue to keep your FFL# a secret from DOJ.

[G. Freeman]

Thanks so much for the responses folks. This process has been a PITA in the last 3 yrs I've been doing this. Really, just doing this for the ability to buy ammo online. Will update you guys as to the result.

[tonyl]

I had the same issue started two years ago. For this year renewal, I just enter my 03 number as part of collector section. It has been over 30 days and it is still being processed.