10mm vs 45acp, 44mag, 9mm etc.?

[loather]

Truthfully though, you can think of 10mm as a sort of .40 S&W Magnum. With the exception of case length, the measurements for 10mm and .40 S&W are nearly indistinguishable. That being said, it lands somewhere between .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum in terms of power. Standard loads are slightly faster than .357 Magnum, while the larger, heavier projectile has between 100 and 200 lbs/ft more power behind it. Conversely, it's about the same speed as a .44 Magnum, but with considerably less power (standard .44 Magnum loads range from one-and-a-half times as much power to over twice as powerful).

BTW: the graphic above is *awesome*

[THT]

This thread is making me want a G20...

[ChrisDM]

Man, there are a few laughs here. Most notably the guy who said the 44 mag was a "novelty cartridge"?! I assume you're kidding... If not I'd like for you to meet my Redhawk loaded with a 340gr Garrett ++P with 1700ftlbs of energy out of a 5 inch barrel!... I would get the last laugh

But seriously the only correct answer, as with just about every technical discussion, is "it depends". Each cartridge is particularly suited to its intended target/use, and the smart shooter simply matches his need to the right cartridge. For example, I pack that 44mag with the Buffalo Bore ++P rounds when backpacking through brown bear country, as the round is rated "for game up to 2000 lbs". I pack my custom 10mm Glock for lighter 4 legged creatures, like black bear etc, where I can enjoy the lighter weight of the Glock while backpacking. But I would never have the 10mm beside my bed for home protection as it would/could overpenetrate walls, endangering my family and possibly even my neighbors. For that my 40s&w is ideal... And my little 380 is the perfect "deep conceal" weapon for close quarter urban protection. The tiny 380 is quite capable at the very short ranges for which it is intended.

I just assembled and photographed this lineup for this thread, in approximate order of stopping power:



(380, 9mm, 9mm +p, 40s&w, 45acp, 45acp +p (Federal HST), 10mm (Doubletap 200gr Hardcast flatnose awesome), 460 Rowland, 44 special, 45 Long Colt, 44mag, 44 mag ++P (340gr Buffalo Bore 1700 ftlbs!), 6.8spc, 308 Win)

Hope this helps,

Chris

[aplinker]

There has been a documented case in Texas where a police officer's .45 round did not penetrate a tractor-trailer's shell, but a .357 SIG round from a backup officer's gun did, killing the suspect inside. The round's ability to penetrate barriers is the main reason for its adoption by law enforcement agencies.Plus body armor doesnt stop it.

lol

oh my

the wackness is strong in this thread. I'm keeping out because it's fun to read this stuff.

[dexter9659]

ummm...no, not ripping the space time continuum, that is reserved for the .221 Fireball.

And...no, not equal to the .41 magnum. It don't do 200 grain bullets at 1500 fps.

It will, however, do 155 grain bullets at 1300 fps, which is about all top .357 magnum loads will do. It will do them out of a 1911 pistol, with a 9 round mag, basically making it a 10 shot .357 magnum, in a reasonable sized carry pistol. That's cool

10mm will do a 180g fmj bullet at 1450 fps out of a fitted 6" barrel which yields 840ft/lbs of energy (my handloads. As I recall 10gr of Power Pistol, which I DO NOT RECOMMEND! As it can be VERY dangerous if you do not know exactly what you are doing).

[dwtt]

This thread is making me want a G20...

You can also get a Kimber in 10mm. Go ahead, indulge once in life.

[MiguelS]

Where would the 357 Sig land in this image?

I just assembled and photographed this lineup for this thread, in approximate order of stopping power:



(380, 9mm, 9mm +p, 40s&w, 45acp, 45acp +p (Federal HST), 10mm (Doubletap 200gr Hardcast flatnose awesome), 460 Rowland, 44 special, 45 Long Colt, 44mag, 44 mag ++P (340gr Buffalo Bore 1700 ftlbs!), 6.8spc, 308 Win)

Hope this helps,

Chris

[THT]

You can also get a Kimber in 10mm. Go ahead, indulge once in life.

Thinking about a Dan Wesson Valor for a 1911...so many guns on the wish list, so little money...

[ChrisDM]

Where would the 357 Sig land in this image?

In terms of muzzle energy it would fall between the 40 and the 45acp+p. But it gets there with a lighter bullet at faster velocities so it will have different penetration/stopping characteristics. Once again it simply comes down to understanding your target and matching the appropriate ammo to suit.

Chris

[Army GI]

I really like the 7.62x25 Tokarev, I just wish it was chambered in better high capacity polymer guns like a nice Glock.

[M198]

Man, there are a few laughs here. Most notably the guy who said the 44 mag was a "novelty cartridge"?! I assume you're kidding... If not I'd like for you to meet my Redhawk loaded with a 340gr Garrett ++P with 1700ftlbs of energy out of a 5 inch barrel!... I would get the last laugh

44 mag is a very powerful round, but so is a 50AE. Both are novelty rounds that are popular because of their size and their "compensation factor" . Both rounds are great for showing to girls but unless your hunting grizzly, they are both novelty rounds. You might as well be this guy.

[elSquid]

44 mag is a very powerful round, but so is a 50AE. Both are novelty rounds that are popular because of their size and their "compensation factor" . Both rounds are great for showing to girls but unless your hunting grizzly, they are both novelty rounds.

A good 44 Magnum revolver is quite a flexible handgun. It may not be the best choice for CCW, but you can do a lot with one. Handloads allow the shooter to explore the spectrum from mild plinking loads to full-house magnums.

Heck, grab some factory 44 special JHP loads and you can use it as a house gun.

-- Michael

[ChrisDM]

44 mag is a very powerful round, but so is a 50AE. Both are novelty rounds that are popular because of their size and their "compensation factor" . Both rounds are great for showing to girls but unless your hunting grizzly, they are both novelty rounds. You might as well be this guy.

Ah, I see the problem now, you simply lack perspective... A 44 mag may be a "novelty round" to you, but for those of us that spend time in the wild a 45acp would be considered a "novelty" round Simply a matter of perspective (or lack thereof).

That being said, there's probably not a more versatile chambering than the 44 mag. With one gun you can shoot everything from 44 special plinkers and home defense loads to big game hunters or grizzly defenders. I can't think of any other "novelty round" that can do this.

Chris

[M198]

Ah, I see the problem now, you simply lack perspective... A 44 mag may be a "novelty round" to you, but for those of us that spend time in the wild a 45acp would be considered a "novelty" round (there are a lot of dead Nazi's who would disagree about the popularity and effectiveness of the 45acp. I'm willing to bet my life that a 45acp will get the job done everytime.) Simply a matter of perspective (or lack thereof).

That being said, there's probably not a more versatile chambering than the 44 mag. With one gun you can shoot everything from 44 special plinkers and home defense loads to big game hunters or grizzly defenders. I can't think of any other "novelty round" that can do this. (I think that just about every round starting at 357 and going up could be hand loaded for plinking to serious man stoppers. even a well placed 40 black talon HP would be able to kill just about anything that breathes and doesn't have a horn on it's nose.)

Chris

I remain unconvinced. Don't take it personally. I wouldn't mind having a 44 mag so I could play dirty Harry in front of a mirror. BTW, I'm from NC and had to watch my scout master scare off a black bear with a 1911 when I was a kid. I'm sure it would have gotten the job done if needed.

[FCinCA]

There has been a documented case in Texas where a police officer's .45 round did not penetrate a tractor-trailer's shell, but a .357 SIG round from a backup officer's gun did, killing the suspect inside. The round's ability to penetrate barriers is the main reason for its adoption by law enforcement agencies.Plus body armor doesnt stop it.