Alameda

[USAFACCW]

Security Six was a provider suggested to me by ASCO last year for my CCW. I would recommend them.

[ugimports]

So ACSO does not require 16-hr training for initial CCW applicants, like some posts claimed in this thread? Is the training required before application submission? Did Judy give you a list of training providers that they recognize? And my friend and I would be very interested in your class once they approve your proposals. Please keep us posted.

I remember hearing this is one of the "approved" providers:

https://www.securitysix.com/classes

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Also, to those looking to take the class to satisfy the Alameda requirement…don’t get too hung up on deciding on who to take the class with. It’s just a very basic class to satisfy a requirement. I personally took the 16-hour class just in case it got changed to 16 hours. If you are new to firearms and don’t have very basic handling skills (like drawing from the holster AND returning the firearm to the holster SAFELY you should get that training and experience first.

I cannot comment on how inexperienced and/or nervous quite a few in my class were and how many had no idea how to actually unload a loaded firearm (including removing the round from the chamber). One guy was (sort of not so politely) send home after he repeatedly demonstrated that he couldn’t holster his firearm safely (as in keeping his darn finger off the trigger).

If this type of class makes you nervous and you aren’t confident in your skills get proper training and experience beforehand.

[mi4]

Not sure why you guys are so worried about reference letters. It is no longer "good cause" and is now "shall issue".

I think they would use reference letters to help them with GMC evaluation.

[mi4]

Each county's Sheriff has their own standard regarding required training including minimum length, content and who may teach it.

San Joaquin for example, allows vetted outside instructors to teach their required 16 hour CCW class. Each external instructor submits their proposed course of instruction which San Joaquin then approves.

San Mateo does not allow external instructors and all of their 8 hour CCW classes are conducted by SMSO deputies.

I spoke with Judy regarding Alameda's training requirements. Alameda requires an 8 hour class. When I mentioned I teach a 16 hour class for San Joaquin, she asked I submit proposals for both an 8- and 16-hour class for Alameda in case students want to take a 16 hour class.

One interesting thing people may not realize is that CCW training is not standardized across all instructors and classes. Even for county-approved classes each instructor has the latitude to include what they consider important as long as the entire class meets the county's minimum standards.

So ACSO does not require 16-hr training for initial CCW applicants, like some posts claimed in this thread? Is the training required before application submission? Did Judy give you a list of training providers that they recognize? And my friend and I would be very interested in your class once they approve your proposals. Please keep us posted.

[Gun Kraft]

Each county's Sheriff has their own standard regarding required training including minimum length, content and who may teach it.

San Joaquin for example, allows vetted outside instructors to teach their required 16 hour CCW class. Each external instructor submits their proposed course of instruction which San Joaquin then approves.

San Mateo does not allow external instructors and all of their 8 hour CCW classes are conducted by SMSO deputies.

I spoke with Judy regarding Alameda's training requirements. Alameda requires an 8 hour class. When I mentioned I teach a 16 hour class for San Joaquin, she asked I submit proposals for both an 8- and 16-hour class for Alameda in case students want to take a 16 hour class.

One interesting thing people may not realize is that CCW training is not standardized across all instructors and classes. Even for county-approved classes each instructor has the latitude to include what they consider important as long as the entire class meets the county's minimum standards.

[ugimports]

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Does anyone know if the 16-hour training can be waved with the credential of NRA certified instructor?
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Very Doubtful...

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Not sure why you guys are so worried about reference letters. It is no longer "good cause" and is now "shall issue".

[SilveradoColt21]

Same question here - I don't have any reference letters in hand yet but want to submit my application to get a spot in the line.

I think you are able to go back in and upload documents at a later time, don't quote me on that though

[mi4]

To anyone that has filled out the Alameda County online application:

After you start to fill out the application, do you have to finish it all in one sitting? Or, can you go back later on another day and continue or add to your application?

For example, letters of reference. I don't have them yet but I have everything else. Can I go back and upload additional documents at a later time?

I saw they ask for a password on the first page but it wasn't clear if you can go back and work on your app at a different time.

Same question here - I don't have any reference letters in hand yet but want to submit my application to get a spot in the line.

[mi4]

I don't know if they have a list but I just took the 16 hour class in Dublin at Guns and Stuff. https://gunsfishing.com/firearms-tra...sive-accuracy/

I took it before applying but I am pretty sure your don't have to. They don't force you to pay for a class until you get through the other stages. No point taking the class if you don't pass the background check or before Bruen, if you didn't pass the Good Cause.

The class was very good. My only feedback to them would be to limit the class size to 10 rather than 20 people. There are only 10 shooting lanes so they have to run the class in two groups. The 16 hour class class includes applications for AZ and UT. They have reciprocity in other states and the applications are "mail in". Your end up with CCW in 33 states.

Thanks for the info. I got my UT permit through DA class long time ago. Regarding the CA CCW class, yes, they claim that their class is for Alameda county. But when I contacted another training provider (with good reputation), they were honest and told me that they have been calling the ACSO but have never got a clear answer on what training provider(s) they recognize. I also called ACSO myself and left voice mail, but I doubt they will ever return my call.

Does anyone know if the 16-hour training can be waved with the credential of NRA certified instructor?

Regarding the reference letters, whom do people usually ask for one? I don't think my neighbors or supervisor would help or even like the idea of me getting a CCW permit. The only people I can think of would be my range buddies

[neuron]

Someone was asking about 1911 pistols.....
Why would they not allow them?"

I guess that the OP was worried about the fact that some (probably many) folks assume (mistakenly) there is something inherently "unsafe" about 1911 design and manual of arms, specifically that the 1911 was intended to be carried cocked and locked over a chambered round. It may be that some IA's prohibit 1911's for that reason, though I'm not aware of any that do so. ASCO allows them, though they don't allow some guns for other reasons presumably related to size (e.g. too small, like the .22/.25, or too big like the .44 magnum and above).

[Old Iron]

1911?

Someone was asking about 1911 pistols.....
Why would they not allow them?

They asked me at the initial interview "What gun would you choose to carry"?
The person giving the interview actually seemed pleased when I responded "Well, Sir....If I only get to choose one handgun to protect my life and my family, it would have to be my Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special....."

[Old Iron]

One gun.....

You only get to pick one handgun for issue on your permit. This is appropriate because your permit lists by make/model/serial what you carry, and you must qualify yearly with it. The range qualification takes a bit of time to get through as it stands. If everyone had three guns to process it would become an absolute circus....

I had to formally petition the Sheriff Dept. to get a second handgun added to my permit. They tried to discourage me initially, but they instructed me in the process and allowed me to submit the request. In my case, it was a second pistol identical to my first. I wanted to have a "spare" of sorts, in case I ever had a problem with my primary. I don't believe that they would have agreed to add the second gun had that not been my reasoning. Having two guns on your permit also requires you to achieve a higher passing score in the range qualification process than someone who only lists one.

[rhodesengr]

I think you only get one handgun assigned with alameda.

When I filled out my app and added one gun, it said I was at the limit. So it seems you can only list one for a new permit. At the class, we were told that when you renew after two years you can add a second gun. I have not seen that in writing and in two years, who know what will have changed. Just saying what we were told.