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Old 04-21-2021, 3:05 PM
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Looking to pick up a 4-16X scope and wonder if most people buy scopes with illuminated reticle. Purpose of this setup is to punch holes on paper during daytime.

Background: On my 1-6 Razor gen ii, I turn on illuminated reticle only when using it like a RDS at 1X. I have a cheap non illuminated 3-9 on a 22LR rifle and its seems to do the job.

Basically, is it worth saving few $ in buying non- illuminated mid to high mag riflescope?

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Old 04-21-2021, 3:16 PM
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If it were the same price, I guess I'd consider it. I am a newbie at long range paper punching, but my Bushnell 3.5x 21 has a perfectly usable reticle under early morning to almost sunset use.

For me, I don't need it, but if it helps you see the reticle better, maybe?
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Old 04-21-2021, 3:26 PM
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Not necessary, but nice to have. I have had a few, and some things to consider:
1. A simple dot or a thin circle works well.
2. Too many lines, elevation marks, etc. are very distracting.
3. Ability to adjust brightness is mandatory. Too bright in a low-light situation and you will lose your target.

During daylight hours, it's not really necessary unless you're losing the reticle on the target. But low light is very nice to have.

Just my $.02
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Old 04-21-2021, 4:07 PM
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Old 04-21-2021, 4:16 PM
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Thanks for the feedback... I imagine I would be better off paying for the glass quality rather than for illumination that I don't really need.
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Old 04-21-2021, 4:18 PM
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If it were a hunting rig, Id say absolutely. Killing paper and ringing steel, I see no need.
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Old 04-21-2021, 4:20 PM
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Looking to pick up a 4-16X scope and wonder if most people buy scopes with illuminated reticle. Purpose of this setup is to punch holes on paper during daytime.

Background: On my 1-6 Razor gen ii, I turn on illuminated reticle only when using it like a RDS at 1X. I have a cheap non illuminated 3-9 on a 22LR rifle and its seems to do the job.

Basically, is it worth saving few $ in buying non- illuminated mid to high mag riflescope?
I've never used my illumination other than messing around with it.

If shooting short range paper, not needed.

If shooting long range paper and somehow need it, then the illumination makes your reticle lines bigger which is a negative
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Is it necessary? No.

Is it desirable? Yes.

There's only been a couple times in my life that I've lost the black crosshairs due to the environment at that moment. I couldn't take a shot. An illuminated reticle would have been awesome at those moments. But, that happens so infrequently, it's simply a luxury unless your life depends on it or you spent thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars on that hunt. Then you'll wish you had chosen otherwise.
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Looking to pick up a 4-16X scope and wonder if most people buy scopes with illuminated reticle. Purpose of this setup is to punch holes on paper during daytime.

Background: On my 1-6 Razor gen ii, I turn on illuminated reticle only when using it like a RDS at 1X. I have a cheap non illuminated 3-9 on a 22LR rifle and its seems to do the job.

Basically, is it worth saving few $ in buying non- illuminated mid to high mag riflescope?
It depends on what you want to do/accomplish with the scope. If I were to purchase a scope today I would definitely want an illuminated reticle because I would have very low light uses for it like on coyotes in very low light. However if you never plan to use your scope in low light then why would you need an illuminated reticle? It's up to you. Is it better to have it and not need it on the chance a situation may arise in the future is up to you.
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Many if not most illum reticles are not going to be daylight bright. Meaning that in the daylight, when poiinted at a brightly lit target, you won't see red (or whatever color the reticle is) you'll see black. However, when you hover over something dark you're going to see a little bit red and not black so the reticle does not completely washout.

This can be disappointing. It's hard to use at speed like a red dot would. You can get a top of the line daylight briight self-defense red dot for $800. In my limited experience the same cannot be said of an LPVO (lower power variable optic). You can spend $1500 plus, and not have something daylight bright. There are some inexpensive options out there that will be, don't ask me which as I have not found them, but they won't be the super high end trust your life to them scopes. You need to spend $3K up for that. So for self defense, a red dot is the best way to go. You get something much more useful for less money.

During dawn, dusk, and darkness you're going to see red with an illuminated reticle regardless of price point. This, and when targeting dark targets, is where they shine. Forgive the pun.

For what you're looking to do, you don't need to go crazy with the price. But an illuminated reticle can be helpful. Even on a flat range in daylight, you can't control the sun or the shadows. It won't be the end of the world, but you'll miss not having it. It is a nice creature comfort. That said, if you find a deal on something a little higher end than you'd normally go...maybe it's worth doing without. Just depends on what you find out there.

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If your target is in low light or shadow and you put your black cross hair on it, how you going to see the center?
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Nice to have options. No necessary but why miss that on money shot that needs it.
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If your target is in low light or shadow and you put your black cross hair on it, how you going to see the center?
"Purpose of this setup is to punch holes on paper during daytime"
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For your purposes as you stated, it is not necessary. However I would opt to get the illum. model if there were no difference in price.
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Old 04-22-2021, 1:57 PM
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Follow up question.

What do CG folks feel about new riflescope brands like Arken and Element that have received rave reviews by YouTubers? My other optics are Vortex and Primary Arms since I get Mil/Vet discount so those newer brands don't offer much price advantage.
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Be careful of paid YouTube reviewers... they'll say anything if you pay them the right amount

I haven't seen these reviews in particular, are they from reputable YouTubers or just channels that review items? There's maybe a handful of reputable gun-related YouTubers, and most of the rest are gear-pr0n guys or paid advertisements in disguise.

Stay far away from anything you find associated with airguns or airsoft... it just won't hold up on a real gun with real recoil.

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https://youtu.be/xByZXNQHPy8

Arken seems promising, but I don't like the way this new company seemingly go out of its way to avoid discussing their scopes are ChiCom made. Vortex is pretty upfront about counties of origin for their riflescopes (China, PI, Japan, or domestic production)
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It is for me. And it better be really good illumination too.
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