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Old 09-24-2022, 2:53 PM
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https://youtu.be/_MODu98jMlQ

Saw this video on YouTube.

Was wondering if this/how this is applied in California?

Or is the ruling that California is California and the rules don't apply?

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Cliff notes?

SB918 didn’t pass…for now.
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Old 09-24-2022, 3:52 PM
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TLDR if a state or local government WANTS to create a sensitive place, the video asserts there are only 4 historically based areas; court houses, legislative chambers, polling places, and schools (for students only possibly).

Regardless any law that passes will have to be litigated, quite possibly up to SCOTUS. So don't expect any changes for years if anything passes (next year for CA).
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Cliff notes?

SB918 didn’t pass…for now.
It's "CliffsNotes" not "Cliff notes". [;>)
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Not litigation in CA, so moved.
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If it's a "sensitive place," it better have a security control that everyone must pass through. Can't say it's a no-go for legal carry if there's no mechanism to detect illegal carry.

Public transportation doesn't qualify. Times Square doesn't qualify. A restaurant, a church, a shopping center doesn't qualify.

A courthouse? The secure part of an airport? Sure.
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If it's a "sensitive place," it better have a security control that everyone must pass through. Can't say it's a no-go for legal carry if there's no mechanism to detect illegal carry.

Public transportation doesn't qualify. Times Square doesn't qualify. A restaurant, a church, a shopping center doesn't qualify.

A courthouse? The secure part of an airport? Sure.
Here's a good one. All the parks in Sacramento or the CSD are "Sensitive" places and you can't have a firearm. How does that pass?
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Once they ram through the new version of SB-918, basically everywhere in a building or public area in California will become a sensitive place. Yes, that's illegal and unconstitutional under the NYSRPA SCOTUS Opinion.

Does California care? Hell no. We're already up to our armpits here in Unconstitutional, therefore illegal laws. What's one more if it helps to disarm and hassle law abiding citizens?
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I wonder if schools are historically sensitive places. My high school had a rifle team, and stored the school's onsite. I also remember a lot of hunting rifles in truck racks during deer season.
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I wonder if schools are historically sensitive places. My high school had a rifle team, and stored the school's onsite. I also remember a lot of hunting rifles in truck racks during deer season.
I was just talking to an old friend about the time in 1978 we were joined by the woodshoop and football coach at Buena Park high school parking lot looking at the new Brownings that we had just bought and were taking shooting after school.
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Granada Hills high school in the SFV had rifle club. Kids would bring their M1's to school every Thorsday.

No one gave them a second look. Try that today and you are dead.

California is a sensitive area, too many libs and Karens that will be offended. It's not Arizona.
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Once they ram through the new version of SB-918, basically everywhere in a building or public area in California will become a sensitive place. Yes, that's illegal and unconstitutional under the NYSRPA SCOTUS Opinion.

Does California care? Hell no. We're already up to our armpits here in Unconstitutional, therefore illegal laws. What's one more if it helps to disarm and hassle law abiding citizens?
Not only does California not care, the legislature seems to take great pride and joy in knowingly, and outright acting in complete open defiance of whatever the SCOTUS justices rule. Because they see themselves as the supreme being, God, or whatever else they decree upon their monarchy, whatever the citizens want, say, or do has virtually no meaning.
All the lawyers can blather on endlessly about “working within the system”, bla, bla, bla, but here we are long after Heller, and not too far past Bruen, and for all practical purposes aren’t any better off.
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Not only does California not care, the legislature seems to take great pride and joy in knowingly, and outright acting in complete open defiance of whatever the SCOTUS justices rule. Because they see themselves as the supreme being, God, or whatever else they decree upon their monarchy, whatever the citizens want, say, or do has virtually no meaning.
All the lawyers can blather on endlessly about “working within the system”, bla, bla, bla, but here we are long after Heller, and not too far past Bruen, and for all practical purposes aren’t any better off.

The government can, using the peoples money, create an almost limitless number of unconstitutional laws with no repercussion for individual politicians.

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The government can, using the peoples money, create an almost limitless number of unconstitutional laws with no repercussion for individual politicians.

What would THT call that?


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Well, there's an election coming up in November, including for the offices of governor and attorney general along with others. Get out and vote for the candidates you would prefer to see in office, including the two just mentioned.
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People will just ignore sensitive places and whoever gets charged will likely bring this case to the SCOTUS, which will then invalidate the whole scheme. Similar to the taser case from the east coast.

We need to fight it, but we also have to remember that Bruen gives us quite a bit of rights against laws that conflict with that decision. It's similar to having regulations that are not squared with the law (wink, BB AWB, wink), not complying and challenging them to try to enforce the law.

There are sodomy laws on the books in many parts of the country even though Lawrence v. Texas has been around for almost two decades. Those laws are just ignored by anyone. CA and NY will end up in the same boat with their anti-gun laws - a bunch of unenforceable laws on the books that nobody cares about. It's just a matter of getting that one test criminal case to push it through the legal system.
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Granada Hills high school in the SFV had rifle club. Kids would bring their M1's to school every Thorsday.

No one gave them a second look. Try that today and you are dead.

California is a sensitive area, too many libs and Karens that will be offended. It's not Arizona.
Or Idaho, Montana, Wyoming or Utah!
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