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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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AB 173 Sharing Our Private Data for "Public Safety"
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It means the bill cleared the Legislature and is on the way to Gavin's desk.
Note this is classified as an 'urgency' bill, and will take effect when signed.
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Signed by the governor on September 23rd.
This is about being able to release the crime data to the UCDavis for them to create crime "studies" to justify more gun laws. There was a hold-up for a few years where the data could not be released because the data included the names of the perpetrators. This law is to get around that hold-up for UCDavis to create anti-gun reports while still having an excuse NOT to release the raw dataset to Gary Kleck or other pro-gun criminologists to also use. |
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I am waiting for the leak of names and addresses to that the press can start doxing gun owners, just as it did when it got the names of CCW holders in NYC. Those of us with more than a couple of gats who don't yet have a safe should start saving and planning to get one. This cannot end well. But of course, that was the entire point of the exercise; personally identifying information is pretty useless for research into the root of gun violence.
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Link to that UC Davis think tank
https://health.ucdavis.edu/vprp/UCFC/index.html Not a single mention relating to mental health, they made up an epidemic called "gun violence" and this... "The nature of firearm violence, including individual and societal determinants of risk for involvement in firearm violence, whether as a victim or a perpetrator." So even at home defending ourselves, our names will be leaked to them. Is CRPA or FPC overlooking this one? This is huge! |
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Only a matter of time
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At the department’s discretion, and subject to Section 14240, information collected pursuant to this section may be provided to any other nonprofit bona fide research institution accredited by the United States Department of Education or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation for the study of the prevention of violence and following approval by the institution’s governing institutional review board or human subjects committee when required. Material identifying individuals shall only be provided for research or statistical activities This reads to me like every activist organization can get a copy of the registry for "research" purposes. |
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It’s unusual that they would provide personally-identifying information or that a university’s study ethics review board would approve the uncoded use of such data. How hard can it be to assign a code in place of a name and to remove other personal information? It sounds like a lazy and unethical way to conduct any studies.
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The desired "study" result is where they start. The rest is just filling in the fluff to make it look official. |
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It is bad news for anyone concerned about privacy.
They will also obtain the facts they wish then manufacture the required data.
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"Garen J. Wintemute is a renowned expert on the public health crisis of gun violence" first sentence of his bio on UC Davis site.
He probably made up this fake epidemic. Did a brief search on him, seems like a political hack using his medical license as a front. |
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Budget trailer AND "public safety" so it will go into effect immediately. Quote:
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It’s how you propose and get a law passed in such a short time period that people/factors outside of the legislative can be bypassed. |
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You must be one of Henry Bowman's relatives or associates? In any event, GO FOR IT.
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Maybe these studies will include a glossary to define what the hell “gun violence” is…cause I am still unclear on how an inanimate object is capable of violence.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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Equal Opportunity
T, a tad out of date. With the stats showing large numbers of women and minorities purchasing firearms this is an equal opportunity move against anyone exercising their rights.
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This battle may affect women and minorities but they are not the real fighters willing to lay down their life’s for the principles of Jesus Christ found in the Constitution. White Christian males may not go to church in mass but they have a core belief in Christ and his principles of Freedom. Freedom vs Bondage is what the WAR is over. There will be lots of smaller battles the wicked will have to win before white Christian males submit to bondage in America. |
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Guns are bad unless they are in the hands of someone who works for any aspect of government or to protect anyone skillful enough to be elected.
Our law to get personal information is a veiled threat that we are on to you and after more laws are passed we will have more laws to deal with you. Whoever thought a full time legislature was a good idea should be required to read this law. |
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Hold on a second...
Doesn't this mean the researchers will have the personal information of Dianne Feinstein, Kamala Harris (rumored to have purchased a few years ago), judges who carry, many LEOs, and all the more-important-than-you people too? I'm surprised this passed. I wonder if special filters will be applied before the data is shared.
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another source of info to bypass fake news
https://defconnews.com/2021/09/29/if...rfectly-legal/ |
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I hope our 2A advocacy groups have their suits pressed and their lawsuits ready to file - we need an emergency injunction to stop this.
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I agree but have a question. I have several firearms including 9 RBBAWs that are in CA DOJ's systems. But that all of that information is out of date, since I am no longer in CA and my ARs no longer have BBs. Because the Idaho Constitution prohibits registration of firearms and there is no requirement to use a FFL to transfer firearms to other Idahoans, there is no way for the so called researchers to know who owns any of the firearms that I acquired in CA or how many firearms I now possess. So what possible use can my out of date personal information have? Should I not object because my out of date information will merely mislead the so called researchers?
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Perhaps citizens of other states who would get caught up in this dragnet have some standing to make a unique argument that current CA citizens cannot. |
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I understand and would be happy to become a party on that basis.
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The Young Lady in Louisville who was shot to death. I believe her BF assumed the same thing, with cops in civilian clothes doing a predawn no knock, no announce raid. In the case of HB, the story unfolded when intelligent, informed, wealthy and principled individuals who were victims of overreach had enough of the abuse . I think the founders of America were facing similar overreach and acted in a more direct manner. In some ways its appears the stage is being set for a purge of Americanism. Just today, it came out General Milley (who DJT called an idiot) was quoted as saying Newsmax, Epoch Times, Oath Keepers are domestic terrorist's. These 3 entities are all ProGun and very credible when it comes to reporting facts. So what would HB do? No doubt he would stay alert, enjoy life and be ready for the catalyst that could happen, unless there is a change away from conquering America from within. This partnership between people who hate America , now sharing information on gun owners is not a step in that direction! Last edited by ja308; 09-29-2021 at 1:42 PM.. |
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When I posted about Henry Bowman, my wife said no one would understand. Looks like I am not the only one who has read John Ross' novel. The passages I enjoyed the most was the history teacher in the Warsaw Ghetto describing the American Revolution and what makes us different, at least those of us who call ourselves gun people. And, of course, there is the final passages where the President recalls Irwin Mann saying that he had to go feed his hogs. Makes me wonder if I should try and register the phrase "Beto Bacon" before someone else does.
Last edited by BAJ475; 09-29-2021 at 6:54 PM.. Reason: typo |
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This Country was built by white male Christians fighting for freedoms taught by Jesus Christ. News flash- that is what made this country great. There are a lot of cultures and countries where citizens only dream of freedom. White Christian Males in America DID IT, supported by The Hand Of God. What other culture or country has tasted American Freedom or paid the ultimate price to obtain it? South America? Africa? The Middle East? China? Yes some from other countries and cultures have joined America and tasted freedom but it take awhile and sometimes a generation or more for them to fully embrace it. America is still the only country in the world with freedom of speech. Citizens of England, Europe, Canada on down are all thrown is jail if they say the wrong thing. I am telling you that Christians in America will not bow the knee to evil leaders and their corrupt laws. God will fight our battles for us as we stand with faith in him. The wicked will be destroyed like they always are. God and his children will always win. News flash-God allows the wicked to be captured and put in bondage. |
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so now every gun owner is CA is known to the people at UC Davis that wants to do research on gun violence and any other groups that UC Davis grants permission to?
guess i better setup some traps then around the outside of the house.
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