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Old 09-20-2021, 3:29 PM
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Needing prayer for a child and was talking with a buddy from work. He said no, not prayer, belief.

Essentially, do not pray for healing, but believe in the healing that you are praying for.

That's the short version. Thanks for "listening". I just found it interesting. Maybe that's why prayers seemingly go "unanswered"? I hate the 'name it and claim it" people, but I suppose there might be something to it.

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Old 09-20-2021, 4:37 PM
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Its called PRAY IN and WITH FAITH ! Not really complicated.

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Old 09-21-2021, 6:35 PM
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Prayer is useless without Faith.
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God asks us to pray for others. Skipping prayer and just having a belief is odd. What are you supposed to believe in, if you don't pray for it? Don't be sidetracked by your buddy from work, his advice is not consistent with the Bible.
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God says .. ask... and it will be given , prayer is the best way to ask , and a prayer was sent up for the child
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God asks us to pray for others. Skipping prayer and just having a belief is odd. What are you supposed to believe in, if you don't pray for it? Don't be sidetracked by your buddy from work, his advice is not consistent with the Bible.
"...You do not have, because you do not ask." Totally agree.

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God says .. ask... and it will be given , prayer is the best way to ask , and a prayer was sent up for the child
There are many well-known quotes regarding prayer from Godly people who knew their Bibles.

J.C. Ryle: "To be prayerless is to be without God, without Christ, without grace, without hope, and without heaven. It is to be on the road to hell."

The habit of prayer is one mark of a true Christian. J.C. Ryle again: “The Lord Himself has set His stamp on prayer as the best proof of a true conversion. When He sent Ananias to Saul in Damascus, He gave him no other evidence of his change of heart than this, “[…] behold, he is praying…” (Act 9:11).

Many neglect prayer. Albert Richardson, writing in "The Kneeling Christian:"
  • ““When we stand with Christ in glory, looking o’er life’s finished story,” the most amazing feature of that life as it is looked back upon will be its prayerlessness. We shall be almost beside ourselves with astonishment that we spent so little time in real intercession. It will be our turn to “wonder.”"
  • “We must reach the attitude of St. Augustine when he cried, “O Lord, grant that I may do Thy will as if it were my will, so that Thou mayest do my will as if it were Thy will.” […] So we come to this— unless the heart is right the prayer must be wrong.”
  • “It is not too much to say that all real growth in the spiritual life— all victory over temptation, all confidence and peace in the presence of difficulties and dangers, all repose of spirit in times of great disappointment or loss, all habitual communion with God— depend upon the practice of secret prayer. […] In fact, it can easily be shown that all want of success, and all failure in the spiritual life and in Christian work, is due to defective or insufficient prayer.”

This is the tip of the iceberg so far as wise observations regarding prayer are concerned.
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Ok, I never said not to pray. I am in almost constant prayer with God, as odd as that may or may not sound. I think sometimes people get so wrapped up in just saying some kind of prayer, that they forget to stand firm in belief while praying. I'm sure I have done such.

Maybe a better title should have been 'A Good Reminder'.
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Essentially, do not pray for healing, but believe in the healing that you are praying for.
I’m not sure I understand what this means. I’d ask my friend to unbox that and clarify what’s meant.

I might be misreading, but “believe in the healing you’re praying for” sounds like placing a level of importance on self-reliance. IE “I pray for this, therefor I am powerful.”

I’d be carful with that.

I try to pray that God help take away my will, or align mine with His exclusively. This is includes asking for gratitude, discernment, and confidence in his plan. I try (and sometimes fail) to make all my prayers like this.
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"He said no, not prayer, belief.

Essentially, do not pray for healing, but believe in the healing that you are praying for."

Your friend's view sounds like new age spiritualism. Perhaps you believe it too. But it contradicts my Christian worldview.

Christians pray to God, a person. We don't engage in just positive thinking, which is what your friend seems to be positing.

We don't believe in the healing, we believe in the God who heals.

We don't have faith in the healing. We have faith in God who heals.

To me that's the difference.
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I ask for healing in my prayers, but I learned to add "if it is your will" after the request. An important component of prayer is aligning my will with God's will just like how Jesus prayed in Gethsemane asking the father to take the cup if it was his will.
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We don't believe in the healing, we believe in the God who heals.

We don't have faith in the healing. We have faith in God who heals.

To me that's the difference.
That about sums it up.
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Did you know you can “believe” in vain, 1 Corinthians 15.


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