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Old 10-08-2021, 11:41 PM
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I usually carry Glock 26-27-19-43 IWB in kydex holster but I hate carrying chambered because I know there’s no real safety stopping that firing pin sprig tension except a plunger blocked from dropping by a trigger bar also under tension. Call me crazy but I rather not have a round aimed at my nuts with a striker pin aimed at it. I want a SADA hammer so that I can carry with a round in the head and use the de cocker while walking around my properties usually foothill with dips and curvy terrain that distracts from the situation having to maintain strict trigger discipline and sight picture.
I’ve narrowed it down to several
1) Sig p226 p320 9mm -kind of chunky but proven and one of my best shooters, lots of cool options off roster like the scorpion and legion
2) HKp2000 is there an off roster version similar to Vp9 or p30 that is hammer?
3) Kimber micro pro9mm probably top of my list rn
4)FNH509 I might be wrong in exact model but isn’t there a SADA hammer fires FN9mm?
5) Beretta92 brigadier, I already own a m92 inox, nice gun that has all the features I want just want something a bit more modern. I shot the px4 storm which has the features i want but she felt low quality compared to my expectations. Just throwing out ideas lookin for some feedback.
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The Glock striker isn't fully cocked until the trigger is pulled (unless you have a Timney trigger). People shoot themselves with Glocks because the trigger was pulled, not because the striker slipped off a sear.

Anyhow, check out the Sig P239 - it should be on your short list. Also a P229 if you want chunk without all the weight of a P226.
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That's not how glocks work OP.
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Paraphrasing for simplicity sake yes I know the striker isn’t directly put under tension until the trigger bar is pulled back when racking the slide….excuse the termanology, just have built enough uppers and custom triggers on glocks and seen how the mechanics work and yes I’m probably being paranoid. What I meant to say is that the striker tension is under pressure, the only thing holding it back is the depressor plunger which is moved by the trigger bar head. It’s not like a hammer safety where the hammer is literally decocked and not able strike unless hammer pulled back. I’ve had to use glock in several SD and HD situations at night on properties of several acres and moving around with one in the head and no manual safety is a just one more thing that remains active on mind while clearing and searching for bad guys etc. also an issue while having to constantly reholster after accessing situations. Hammer I prefer because I can simply decock, then if situation escalates which is rare IME I can simply pull the hammer back instead of having to rack the slide.
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Paraphrasing for simplicity sake yes I know the striker isn’t directly put under tension until the trigger bar is pulled back when racking the slide….excuse the termanology, just have built enough uppers and custom triggers on glocks and seen how the mechanics work and yes I’m probably being paranoid. What I meant to say is that the striker tension is under pressure, the only thing holding it back is the depressor plunger which is moved by the trigger bar head. It’s not like a hammer safety where the hammer is literally decocked and not able strike unless hammer pulled back. I’ve had to use glock in several SD and HD situations at night on properties of several acres and moving around with one in the head and no manual safety is a just one more thing that remains active on mind while clearing and searching for bad guys etc. also an issue while having to constantly reholster after accessing situations. Hammer I prefer because I can simply decock, then if situation escalates which is rare IME I can simply pull the hammer back instead of having to rack the slide.

Wait. What???

We’ll, whatever your reason is, go 1911 or go home. Lol.

Or, Sig SP2022. CZ’s are also options.

As a suggestion. Get some training. This way you’ll get more familiar with carrying.


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2) HKp2000 is there an off roster version similar to Vp9 or p30 that is hammer?
The P2000 and the smaller SK make good carry guns. I only carry guns with hammers when using IWB holsters. The P30 is basically a newer P2000, though I don't care for the finger grooves that HK likes to put on everything now.
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I am going to stay out of the debate over Glock mechanics, but I am also a fan of DA/SA. Big plus 1 on the Sig p239. Compact, shoots like a full size, decocker only. Get the short reset kit if it doesn’t have it already. Only drawback is single stack mag limits you to 7+1. (If anyone wants to unload one in “unfashionable” .40 let me know, I can use a spare.). If you want more mag capacity can get the double stack p229.
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Go with a S&W 3913. great trigger
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i also like the Sig P239 for conceal carry. I picked up before I got my ccw because, like you, I was reluctant to carry with one in the chamber in a glock and really like the full size grip in such a thin frame. I have since gotten over that and I carry the G26 most of the time because of the capacity. I have carrier the P239 a few times but I always think I don’t have enough ammo on hand. P239 = 8+1 with extended 10-rd reload versus the G26 = 10+1 with a 17-rd reload.
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It is not for urban CCW due to size unless wearing winter clothing, but I love my CZ75B for just the reasons the OP states.
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I usually carry Glock 26-27-19-43 IWB in kydex holster but I hate carrying chambered because I know there’s no real safety stopping that firing pin sprig tension except a plunger blocked from dropping by a trigger bar also under tension. Call me crazy but I rather not have a round aimed at my nuts with a striker pin aimed at it. I want a SADA hammer so that I can carry with a round in the head and use the de cocker while walking around my properties usually foothill with dips and curvy terrain that distracts from the situation having to maintain strict trigger discipline and sight picture.
I’ve narrowed it down to several
1) Sig p226 p320 9mm -kind of chunky but proven and one of my best shooters, lots of cool options off roster like the scorpion and legion
2) HKp2000 is there an off roster version similar to Vp9 or p30 that is hammer?
3) Kimber micro pro9mm probably top of my list rn
4)FNH509 I might be wrong in exact model but isn’t there a SADA hammer fires FN9mm?
5) Beretta92 brigadier, I already own a m92 inox, nice gun that has all the features I want just want something a bit more modern. I shot the px4 storm which has the features i want but she felt low quality compared to my expectations. Just throwing out ideas lookin for some feedback.
I trust the Glock in the front of my pants every day without concern. Glock is a lot more safe than people realize. Not all these guns you list have manual safetys. In the same scenario you worry about a double action could get snagged also and fire. So if you concern about a gun in front pants area concealed I would recommend a gun with a manual safety.

The PX4 Storm is one of the softest shooting 9mm's out there; a whole lot of my other guns will go before I get rid of the Storm. I has the manual safety and tt's a great gun. That would be what I recommend
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The P239 has been mentioned a few times. I’ll also say it’s one choice over many.
I had one, but it was a DAK. I wanted to like it, but it wasn’t to be. They are built extremely well. It was beautiful SAS model too. But that DAK trigger I couldn’t get use to. If it was a decocker I’d probably still have it.


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...and yes I’m probably being paranoid.
Yes, and you recognize it, which is a great start.

Not all triggers are created equal and you have to understand how they work, for the specific model, before you commit to carrying a certain way. For example, I have no problem carrying 1911 in condition 1 (cocked and locked) even though it looks scary to some people, but I wouldn't carry a different design this way unless I understood how it worked internally. On 1911, it's not just the safety preventing the trigger from being pulled, there is a mechanism to prevent the gun from firing even if it's jarred. Then, there is the series 80 pin safety for those who register higher on the paranoid scale.

Overall, your concern with Glock is not realistic. The main problem with Glock is the trigger pull length and weight - the less it is, the closer it is to a SA gun, with all the pitfalls of carrying a SA gun without safety. As others pointed out, for someone competent with gun handling, the problem with Glock is its relatively short trigger pull. Have something creep into the holster and it can actuate the trigger. Use it without a holster and you're looking for all sorts of trouble. But once holstered, it's quite safe, no matter how it looks to you.

DA/SA is a nice alternative, but I would advise you against cocking to the initial SA shot. You try to do this under stress and you have two competing reflexes, one to go through the heavy DA pull and the other to cock the hammer. Chances are you're going to pull the trigger and damage your thumb, not to mention you'll cause a jam. That's another example of where you can't be "paranoid" and have to instead use the design as it is intended.

Similarly, mentioning a Brigadier in the same sentence with "carry" is sort of a stretch. Sure you can do it, but you're looking at the very heavy design for a purpose that requires something lighter. It would be suitable for carrying OWB in the nature, not for CCW.

Based on everything you mention, I would reconsider the options. Nothing wrong with DA/SA, just make sure it's not because you feel Glock won't work, but because you like DA/SA design, train with it and are proficient with it. The same would be in reverse, if you wanted to go from DA/SA to a Glock. It requires some training and making sure you understand the different platform.
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Sig p220. 8 or 10 rounds of .45 and same manual of arms as the 226. Or S&W 627 or 327, 8 rounds of .357.
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Another vote for the HK P2000 or P2000SK in 9mm---available in DA/SA or LEM DAO trigger systems---these pistols are 100% reliable (I have both)---good grip and shoot right to point of aim for me---I also like the USPc in 9mm DA/SA...
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My DA/SA hammer fired CCW is a WGERMANY made SiG P228...
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Go with a S&W 3913. great trigger
I would add 3914, blue version of same gun and my favorite 9mm
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I recommend getting more training so that you are consistent with how you choose to deploy your gun regardless of what format you use (striker fired, DA/SA...etc.). Based on what you're saying, it sounds like you want a DA/SA gun with a cockable hammer. First decide if you want one with just a decocker (most Sigs and a few other DA/SA ) or if you're ok with one that has a decocker that is also a safety (most slide mounted safety/decocker guns).

Whichever you choose you had better train enough to make it second nature to decock the gun before putting it back in your holster.
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Another vote for a Sig P239

Off Roster, but doesn’t demand an unreasonable price (yet - especially in the Forty)
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Off Roster, but doesn’t demand an unreasonable price (yet - especially in the Forty)
no. they’re still on the roster

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I trust the Glock in the front of my pants every day without concern. Glock is a lot more safe than people realize. Not all these guns you list have manual safetys. In the same scenario you worry about a double action could get snagged also and fire. So if you concern about a gun in front pants area concealed I would recommend a gun with a manual safety.
When was the last time you heard about a DA/SA pistol trigger snagging and going off with an appendix carry ??? Please include links....
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When was the last time you heard about a DA/SA pistol trigger snagging and going off with an appendix carry ??? Please include links....
The one advantage of a hammer fired gun is you can hold the hammer down when you holster. If you have your thumb on the hammer, if the trigger snags something you will feel it with your thumb. That's the main reason I carry a DA hammer fired gun after having a close call once.

Someone actually made a doohickey that allows you to do the same thing with a Glock. https://taudevgroup.myshopify.com/pr...control-device
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Looks like you need a revolver. It's far better for walking on what sounds like rural properties. You can load it with snake shot too.

I only advocate dispatching rattlers if they were actually on your land though.
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My EDC is a P-0 1. The more you shoot it , the more the trigger weight drops. I carry appendix and do keep my thumb on the trigger when reholstering. It has a decocker. CGW package is not allowed in my county and mods on a carry gun are not advised. But , to be honest , after 7500 rounds , my trigger pulls are about the same as the CGW package ( a little lighter in SA). Upgrade your sights and grips and you are gold. What’s nice about the trigger having a little slack is you can stage long distance shots in double or single action. Not possible with my SP-01 which is customized with CGW and CZC parts for competition. I’m putting a G-19 on my permit and don’t have any misgivings about it going off. Just watch any sweatshirt tassels and don’t use a leather holster.
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fify. Nothing wrong with a leather holster. Good ones have a steel reinforcement strip sandwiched in around the mouth, they aren't going to collapse and get caught in the guard. All my Glocks ride in leather.

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I'm going to add the poor man's version to the list, the 908.

And, to be honest he couldn't go wrong with any of the 3rd Gen Smith's.
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P01, p229, p2000sk would be my order for hammer carry.

Have to practice allot with DA to make that first shot count and not take forever on the draw
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Since it seemed like your primary concern was maybe a manual safety... check out a M&P Shield 9mm... 7,8,9 round single stack with a manual safety for the CA roster version. Maybe you don't need a hammer.

Otherwise, my SA/DA suggestion stands... the PCR is awesome. Great shooting gun, great stock SA trigger. Safe and heavy in DA. Decocker.

Last edited by crufflers; 10-16-2021 at 11:53 AM..
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