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Old 04-01-2021, 11:00 AM
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And most exciting was the AC installation. I went with a 12k BTU Mr. Cool DIY mini split. I’ve read great things about these units as they don’t require a HVaC guy to come out and charge the line set. It comes with a 25ft pre charged line set that you connect with fast connections that break the seal once tightened to the air handler and condenser. I still need to connect the electrical and line set and line cover to test which I plan to do later this month.












I still need to connect the electrical and line set and line cover to test which I plan to do later this month. My current 2000watt generator isn’t big enough To power the AC even though it’s only 115v @ 15amps. I order a new Champion 3400 watt dual fuel inverter gen set which I’ll bring out next trip to test with. Hopefully this will extend the season a bit longer having AC. I hope to be able to make some night trips during the summer when it’s only 100 degree instead of 120.


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Your images in the first update post don't show up for me, just a blue box that says "image not found or was removed"

That AC unit might be a game changer for those parts of the year that heat is a serious thing to contend with. Glad to see this project is still rolling along. When the George Floyd verdict comes out, you might need a place to escape to!
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Your images in the first update post don't show up for me, just a blue box that says "image not found or was removed" :
Don't show up for me as well. The rest look great!
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Your images in the first update post don't show up for me, just a blue box that says "image not found or was removed"

That AC unit might be a game changer for those parts of the year that heat is a serious thing to contend with. Glad to see this project is still rolling along. When the George Floyd verdict comes out, you might need a place to escape to!
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Don't show up for me as well. The rest look great!
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A range membership is cheaper, wont be burnt, or vandalized, but property in a free-state might be a better option, land, property, and more for less?

Our plan is to sell the house and bolt.
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A range membership is cheaper, wont be burnt, or vandalized, but property in a free-state might be a better option, land, property, and more for less?

Our plan is to sell the house and bolt.
The range on this property is just a perk, not the reason I own it. It’s next to one of the best adult playgrounds for dirt biking, off-roading, hiking, and more. It’s only 1.5hr drive from my house in San Diego. I Agree, land in a free state would be amazing but for now my job, family, and friends are here. I’m not leaving for a while. If that time comes, everything has a price and the land will only appreciate. I could probably get quadruple what I bought the land for and money spent on building.
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The range on this property is just a perk, not the reason I own it. It’s next to one of the best adult playgrounds for dirt biking, off-roading, hiking, and more. It’s only 1.5hr drive from my house in San Diego. I Agree, land in a free state would be amazing but for now my job, family, and friends are here. I’m not leaving for a while. If that time comes, everything has a price and the land will only appreciate. I could probably get quadruple what I bought the land for and money spent on building.
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Though most of your camera shots show the open desert, some angles reveal what looks like a lot of neighbors out there in close proximity. I think you also said you only have 1/2 an acre? Are there a bunch of 1/2 acre lots around you? Is this a not-so-secluded spot? Are your neighbors OK with you blasting from your property at any time of day?
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Well Crap OP. I haven't checked your build thread in quite a while. Now I feel remiss. I could have contributed a few handy desert and gen building tips.

For the future then. Studs walking and leaving unsupported edges of drywall or panels is common. Quick easy answer is 1x2 furring strips, where needed.

Especially in desert. My place is down in the IV on the Sea. DON'T PAINT WOOD. Use a quality Semi Transparent Wood Stain. Such as Behr-10 or Thompson's. Cost a bit more than siding paint. But DOESN'T, chip, flake or peel like all paints do in the desert. It FADES. And is easily prepped for recoat with minimal sanding. Don't let the name fool ya. 2 coats looks like paint. Nothing transparent about it.

Insulated as well as you have. That 1 ton unit will keep it frosty. You've mentioned noise aversion. Did that factor in choosing the split. Over a window banger of same BTU?

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Though most of your camera shots show the open desert, some angles reveal what looks like a lot of neighbors out there in close proximity. I think you also said you only have 1/2 an acre? Are there a bunch of 1/2 acre lots around you? Is this a not-so-secluded spot? Are your neighbors OK with you blasting from your property at any time of day?
It’s about 200 degrees of open desert facing the south into a mountain rage. But yes there are a bunch of different sized lots behind me. I have some immediate neighbors who periodically visit their lots. Every now and then we will be out at the same time but it’s rare. They all are cool with guns and shooting as most desert goers are. I try to be respectful and so do they. There is another spot dedicated to shooting less than 5 miles down the road that I can off-road to and shoot there if I want. To be honest, not doing much shooting these days with limited ammo out there. I have week days off at work, so that’s when I visit. Not many people in the desert during the week other than the few that live out there. Again, the shooting aspect of this property was just a perk.
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Lol, I just came across your post.
Thought it said, "It's about 200 degrees in the open desert"
Which would be about right in this current heat wave.


Anyway, good for you. I love it out in Anza Borrego.
Been going out there for decades.
Probably hiked and explored 90% of it over the years.
Your place looks great. Enjoy it. Your hard work is paying off.
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Cabin first, container later for storage and spare sleeping qtrs.

Wood lasts a looooong time in the desert.
I'd go for container first since that is what construction contractors will place while building a house.

They will have a big steel lock protector box welded over where the padlock goes and very tough to break into.

Standard wood frame on perimeter foundation will always be most bang for the buck and most comfy.

Yeah, them building codes and permits and "local stake holders" AKA Nimby Busy Bodies. Might help to make political donation and have chat prior to applying for permits.

Real Estate Sales newspaper for Santa Cruz Mtns near Los Gatos border about 1/2 the ads for actual houses said "Built With Permits" or "Main house built with permits" etc. Some didn't say and that sorta matched pics. YMMV
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Go on pinterest site lots of plans. How will you get water? Composting toilet, off grid solar. I am looking for lot to put building. shop on. Maybe barndominium.
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Some idiot will burn a cabin within a week. Bury the shipping container and have a disguised entrance. Take a little utility trailer when you go with your AC, generator and anything else you don't want stolen.
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Update!

Well it looks like I may be moving out to this property full time since the vaccine mandates will have my job on the line. I figured I’d try off grid living for a year or how ever long it takes for me to get sick of it. It should be an interesting experience.

I had a 20ft shipping container delivered in June. It will serve as storage for now but will eventually be used in a 2 container dwelling space. Currently trying to figure out how to get the 40ft container onto the property since the 20ft delivery truck was getting pretty stuck in the soft sand.

Should be lots more updates and photos coming soon.
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Some idiot will burn a cabin within a week. Bury the shipping container and have a disguised entrance. Take a little utility trailer when you go with your AC, generator and anything else you don't want stolen.
Pyro-Guard plywood barely costs any more than normal.

I think its just soaked in some "salt" of some sort. I'm fixing to find out what and maybe do my own for regular 2x4s etc. Probably stops termites and mold and rot, too.

Yeah, its almost like you want to install some armored plexy-glass to allow scumbags to see inside and verify nothing they want. Don't even have cabinets, just open bare shelves.

Maybe a fake official looking "Do not enter, condemned for Lyme Tick Infestation by order of District 9 Regional Task Force. If you are reading this you have gotten too close and need to seek Medical Attention ASAP. You may have been bitten and not felt it and can die within 3 days."
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Well it looks like I may be moving out to this property full time since the vaccine mandates will have my job on the line. I figured I’d try off grid living for a year or how ever long it takes for me to get sick of it. It should be an interesting experience...
That sucks to hear they are coming after with their mandated jab. On the other hand, a blessing that you have a shelter to retreat to so you can preserve your health and autonomy. Living off grid is not hard when done right. Will look forward to updates.
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That sucks to hear they are coming after with their mandated jab. On the other hand, a blessing that you have a shelter to retreat to so you can preserve your health and autonomy. Living off grid is not hard when done right. Will look forward to updates.
I actually pretty excited about it. I was looking for a change in my life and was stuck in a zone of comfort. Hopefully this will force me to find new ways to grow and appreciate life.

Here a picture of the container I had delivered.



Hoping to have carport built over where my truck is to fit 2-3 cars. Then on the other side I will space out 20ft and drop a 40ft container in parallel to this container. Then put a roof over the two containers for a nice out side living space shaded from the hot desert sun.
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So this is my idea for the two shipping containers. My original plan was 1 40ft and 1 20ft container but might just end up with two 20ft containers due to ease on maneuverability. New 40ft HC containers are almost 9k now





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I just checked housing prices in Borrego springs....the cheap fixer-uppers have doubled in two years.
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So this is my idea for the two shipping containers. My original plan was 1 40ft and 1 20ft container but might just end up with two 20ft containers due to ease on maneuverability. New 40ft HC containers are almost 9k now




Back in post #29 I mentioned this;

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They can be had as cheap as containers. I know a guy who bought two 40s. Placed them parallel 12 ft apart without gear. Using 1/8" stainless cable and "UV resistant sunshade netting between them, made an awesome setup.
Actually spacing IIRC was farther apart. More like 20'. After many years his shade netting died and blew away in the IV desert sun. He replaced it with with a steel carport. Like these. https://www.google.com/search?q=stee...hrome&ie=UTF-8

A lot less labor intensive than your initial plan. As well as most of the pics you posted. And likely with matl costs skyrocketing, comparable as to cost effectiveness.
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Actually spacing IIRC was farther apart. More like 20'. After many years his shade netting died and blew away in the IV desert sun. He replaced it with with a steel carport. Like these. https://www.google.com/search?q=stee...hrome&ie=UTF-8

A lot less labor intensive than your initial plan. As well as most of the pics you posted. And likely with matl costs skyrocketing, comparable as to cost effectiveness.

Yeah I’ve been looking at the industrial sun shade sails with imbedded steel wires and metal ends for durability. Will probably pick up one of those to span between the containers until material cost come down or I get more settled and have some time to build. Tell really just trying to get the essentials going so I can move out there in the next couple months.
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Second container placed. I Was better prepared with two 4x4 trucks and more recovery straps and more people for digging out the delivery truck this time. It also wasn’t 105* so it went pretty smooth. It was the same delivery driver and he remember last time and almost denied dropping the container on my property because it was so difficult last time. I was able to get it dropped and positioned in under an hour. He only got stuck once but we pulled him right out using two trucks.



Next step is some kind of roof over the two containers. A car port off the right and water tanks which I’m hoping to get next week. Thinking of doing 3 3000 gallon tanks along a shared fence line with one of my neighbors. The tanks are 8.5ft wide and 7 ft tall. Should make a decent fence to block out the neighbors on the rare occasions they come out to camp. Trying to figure out the best foundation to hold 25000lbs when filled up. Concrete is a pain out here since the concrete trucks won’t make it onto my property. Too heavy. Any suggestions?
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Second container placed. I Was better prepared with two 4x4 trucks and more recovery straps and more people for digging out the delivery truck this time. It also wasn’t 105* so it went pretty smooth. It was the same delivery driver and he remember last time and almost denied dropping the container on my property because it was so difficult last time. I was able to get it dropped and positioned in under an hour. He only got stuck once but we pulled him right out using two trucks.



Next step is some kind of roof over the two containers. A car port off the right and water tanks which I’m hoping to get next week. Thinking of doing 3 3000 gallon tanks along a shared fence line with one of my neighbors. The tanks are 8.5ft wide and 7 ft tall. Should make a decent fence to block out the neighbors on the rare occasions they come out to camp. Trying to figure out the best foundation to hold 25000lbs when filled up. Concrete is a pain out here since the concrete trucks won’t make it onto my property. Too heavy. Any suggestions?
Maybe pavers over a prepped base (compacted substrate)
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Thinking of doing 3 3000 gallon tanks along a shared fence line with one of my neighbors. The tanks are 8.5ft wide and 7 ft tall. Should make a decent fence to block out the neighbors on the rare occasions they come out to camp. Trying to figure out the best foundation to hold 25000lbs when filled up. Concrete is a pain out here since the concrete trucks won’t make it onto my property. Too heavy. Any suggestions?
What's wrong with just setting those water tanks over your leveled native sand? All that weight is evenly distributed over the flat bottom of the tanks.

My two 3,000 gallon water tanks are sitting on a 4" bed of compacted crushed rock with a 1" topping of course sand to protect the plastic tanks from any sharp rock edges and are doing quite well.

I assume you'll be getting water deliveries as there's no well?
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I love this way-out-there remote living and setting up an outpost BUT, it kind of sucks being out there and so remote but still in a neighborhood essentially. I see all kinds of vehicles and structures around you (kind of an eyesore) . If I'm going to set up shop in BFE, it needs to be on enough land not to have neighbors literally a stone's throw away. Looks like you're going to have a good outpost, though.
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6500 delivered sound like a ripoff
should be aroun 3k delivered
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What's wrong with just setting those water tanks over your leveled native sand? All that weight is evenly distributed over the flat bottom of the tanks.

My two 3,000 gallon water tanks are sitting on a 4" bed of compacted crushed rock with a 1" topping of course sand to protect the plastic tanks from any sharp rock edges and are doing quite well.

I assume you'll be getting water deliveries as there's no well?
Yes. Water delivery service will be used as well as hauling small amounts of water myself to supplement. I considered just leveling the ground and dropping it but I was reading if the land underneath erodes from water it can cause uneven platform and even ripping of the tank when full. I also figured raising it up a bit was good to have more access to the bulkhead on the bottom for a spigot or some other plumbing.

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I love this way-out-there remote living and setting up an outpost BUT, it kind of sucks being out there and so remote but still in a neighborhood essentially. I see all kinds of vehicles and structures around you (kind of an eyesore) . If I'm going to set up shop in BFE, it needs to be on enough land not to have neighbors literally a stone's throw away. Looks like you're going to have a good outpost, though.
Thanks for your opinion. This property was never meant to be a off grid remote living property. It was to have a base camp for when I came out to off road and ride dirt bikes and the occasional shooting. Its nice that the people around me are all like minded. I’m still looking at truly remote land in more habitable regions of the country. Either way this property has more than tripled in value since I bought it. That’s enough of a win for me right there.

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When was the last time you got a quote for a new shipping container high cube? There is a huge shortage of conex boxes right now. They go up about $200 a month for the last 2 years. Just from early June when I had the first one delivered for $5400 the price went up $800. Used containers can still be had for about 3-4K but the new ones are pricey. This was the cheapest I could find. Delivery from Santa Barbra was $800.

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Cabelas Alaknak tent, 12'x27'.
In the desert a metal structure is going to radiate too much heat, you won't even want to touch the walls of it. A large tent is going to be your most comfortable option short of building an actual house.
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Yes. Water delivery service will be used as well as hauling small amounts of water myself to supplement. I considered just leveling the ground and dropping it but I was reading if the land underneath erodes from water it can cause uneven platform and even ripping of the tank when full. I also figured raising it up a bit was good to have more access to the bulkhead on the bottom for a spigot or some other plumbing.



Thanks for your opinion. This property was never meant to be a off grid remote living property. It was to have a base camp for when I came out to off road and ride dirt bikes and the occasional shooting. Its nice that the people around me are all like minded. I’m still looking at truly remote land in more habitable regions of the country. Either way this property has more than tripled in value since I bought it. That’s enough of a win for me right there.



When was the last time you got a quote for a new shipping container high cube? There is a huge shortage of conex boxes right now. They go up about $200 a month for the last 2 years. Just from early June when I had the first one delivered for $5400 the price went up $800. Used containers can still be had for about 3-4K but the new ones are pricey. This was the cheapest I could find. Delivery from Santa Barbra was $800.



Definitely. And thank you!
Sorry I should have been more clear thats my fault, yes I was reffering to used not new.
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Voting for Donald Trump is the protest vote against: Keynesian economics, Neocon wars, exporting jobs, open borders, Washington criminal cartel, too big to fail banks and too big to jail pols and banksters.

Cutting off foreign aid to EVERY country and dismantling the police/surveillance state!

Umm yeah!!!!!
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