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I did the same with my AR pistol quite a spell ago as I could see the slippery slope with braces. I'd rather not have the worry. Or at least until the Sacramento or ATF goon squads decides that cheek rests are the next evil feature.
We clearly know that the mere existence of AR and AK pistols make the Civilian Disarmament Industrial Complex foam at the mouth. It's just a matter for time until they decide their next flimsy, idiotic, made up regulation to try to ban them. Honestly the ATF and the CADOJ are just like petulant, bratty children, it's not that hard to forecast their next moves when we know their mandate for pushing hard for civilian disarmament and making up bull**** regulations that aren't laws.
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Folks all of this discussion is somewhat Irrelevant in California. All the discussion with ATF has nothing whatsoever to do with a cow doj and California law. Caldoj has not opined as to braces and I assure you if you are stopped with one they will consider it to be a short barrel rifle and give you no quarter. Well I am happy to represent you in the criminal trial, I refuse to be a defendant. Keep your pistols as pistols and rifles over 30 in unless registered Etc
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So if I can get an SBR stamp for my AR pistol, and if I leave a brace on it, I can have a braced pistol legally in CA?
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CAL.BaR is there a calguns discount?
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From everything I've read and seen, maybe. Braced pistols, unless some laws are changed or they can meet the new ATF made up regs, will no longer be legal in California as far as SBR'd versions because California forbids modern SBRs unless you have a California Dangerous Weapons Permit. if your braced pistol meets the ATF guidelines, I believe you don't have to Form 1 it. But very limited braces and very specific criteria meet the new ATF regulations.
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The current administration has already acknowledged things they planned to do won't stand up in court, but they did them anyway. See the rent moratorium and sweet & sour sniffles shot mandates as examples.
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Only if someone in a black nightgown says so. Are there any suits going on now?
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I agree with you. But in a world where NY, CA, Mass, NJ and Hawaii simply ignore SCOTUS and SCOTUS decisions, who will hold the tyrants who ignore the ruling accountable? Laws are only worthwhile if people actually obey them. Apparently Gav Boy, Bonta and the Ca Legislature are blatantly ignoring the ruling. Whose gonna arrest them?
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I just started reading about this as I never jumped on the brace bandwagon here in CA.
I suspect that the folks who thought they were being clever during the BBAW registration period in 2016-2018 by registering their photos of their BBAW pistols sporting a brace may find themselves on the radar. Sorry folks.
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There was no pictures required of registieing 80% pistols.
What is a bbaw pistol? There is no such thing.
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But it might win you a surprise call or visit to verify said firearm's present configuration isn't still the old one. That's the concern. DOJ may tell some investigators - "go visit all the owners of these photos". Now, in truth they don't even have the resources to go collect firearms from convicted felons that they know have guns, so this seems pretty low likelihood.
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Again.......THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT TO SEND PICTURES OF 80%PISTOLS...with or without braces.
There is no such thing as A bbaw pistol. No pictures of braces.... Some here are confused about some folks registering bbaw RIFLES and getting requests for pictures..... not pistols.
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A BBAW pistol was a pistol built before 2017 which would be an AW if it were not for the magazine being fixed with a bullet button.
The definitions of fixed magazines have changed and a bullet button no longer satisfies the requirement but there was an option to AW register such pistols in 2018 so that you could keep the bullet button instead of having to go to a more complicated fixed magazine solution that requires the action to be disassembled in order to change magazines. BBRAW's can use large capacity magazines while the new "disassemble the action" fixed magazine pistols are limited to low capacity magazines of 10 rounds or less.
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I remove my pistol braces for the AW photos but there's no laws on the books prohibiting me from installing them after the photos were taken.
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Well that is interesting. I'm still not 100% believing that.
You can own an AR pistol with a BB if it was registered with photos? First I heard about that. Maybe I was too fixated on having to register my 80% pistol builds and I was surely not sending photos in. I was under the impression the photos were for only folks who wanted to still have a BB rifle.
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LOL there actually IS. I have represented a number of CalGunners in the past and always worked with them on fees for weapons issues etc.
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I plan on never meeting you with a tie on. Hahha
Thank you
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But let's be real, it's a given though that all of the alphabet agencies have become the Potato Administrations personal minions, carrying out vendettas and personal prosecutions at the behest of the Potato. There is no mandate to effect justice in any of them, they have become weaponized tool of the Left's government.
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I AW registered AR, AK and HK pistols with bullet buttons. Quote:
Fun fact: as a registered AW, the 10 round limitations that non-AW's have does not apply so I can use my AW's with full capacity mags. |
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I'm curious about something, If someone was to destroy a brace in a way that it could not be be used as a brace or shouldered, could that person then keep this new Buffer Tube cover (Former Shockwave Brace) strictly for aesthetics? Asking for a friend.
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You must be lying too because this guy does not believe it:
I got my AFS report back this week. Lo and behold, my AR pistol and my MP5 pistol are on the same page so it was easy to take a picture of the two at the same time and then a took a photo off the top of the first page letter showing where the AFS report comes from. The guy at the top of the first page is probably lying too right? Last edited by ar15barrels; 10-30-2022 at 9:44 AM.. |
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Assault weapons cannot exist in California because they’re illegal.
Only hammers are allowed. Since hemp jewelry makers need protection.
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Well I'm almost sad that I dont have a bb pistol. I still find it weird I never saw that option when we were being forced to register 80% builds. But I have zero regrets not sending the jackboot a holes in Kalifornia pictures of my guns. Bb still has to use gimped magazines correct?
Meh..the BB is not faster by anything past a tenth/hundred of a second on a mag change compared to some of then "action open" stuff. I know..but those may not be legal!! Who is using a bb/mag locked for immediate self defense anyways?! I do appreciate the correction. A bit harsh to say I was calling anyone "liars".
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Firearms with a "bullet button" style magazine release were required to be reconfigured so that they no longer met the CA definition of an assault weapon or destroyed or taken out-of-state for storage/transfer or registered as assault weapons before 07-01-2018. Starting 07-01-2018, if the firearm still has a "bullet button" style magazine release and restricted features, then it is either an illegal assault weapon or BBRAW. CA laws/regulations requires a BBRAW to retain the "bullet button" style magazine release, in order to maintain its legal status as a RAW. [PC 39000(b)(5) and 11 CCR 5477(a)] Beyond retention of the "bullet button" style magazine release, the RAW can be legally reconfigured in a manner that does not violate CA SBR/SBS laws. Which means it is CA legal to utilize large capacity magazines with a BBRAW.
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Incorrect.
You can use any magazine you want in an RAW. The 10 round limitation only applies to fixed magazine non-AW's. Quote:
Then you will see the value of a bullet button. Last edited by ar15barrels; 10-30-2022 at 7:06 PM.. |
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