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Old 11-29-2022, 1:58 PM
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Default Surefire muzzle brake with warden suppress flash?

I have a featureless rifle with Surefire muzzle brake, and I'm thinking about pairing it with Surefire Warden.

Does the warden suppress flash on the muzzle brake, and would adding turn my featureless into aw?
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I have a featureless rifle with Surefire muzzle brake, and I'm thinking about pairing it with Surefire Warden.

Does the warden suppress flash on the muzzle brake, and would adding turn my featureless into aw?

No it doesnít suppress flash at all. In fact, if you want to see a huge fireball, use the Warden 🙂
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You really think this is a flash suppressor?


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No it doesnít suppress flash at all. In fact, if you want to see a huge fireball, use the Warden 🙂
thanks for clarifying
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It's not marketed as a flash hider, and it does not list any flash hiding capabilities. You're safe to run it.
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You really think this is a flash suppressor?


By the wording of the law, it IS because it redirects the flash away from the view of the shooter by funneling the flash further forward and into a longer but smaller diameter flame than a plain muzzle or a muzzle brake.

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(r) "Flash suppressor" means any device attached to the end of the barrel, that is designed, intended, or functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision.

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By the wording of the law, it IS because it redirects the flash away from the view of the shooter by funneling the flash further forward and into a longer but smaller diameter flame than a plain muzzle or a muzzle brake.
We used to have this same viewpoint here, but the DOJ's definition is extremely vague on this one. It is frustrating how arbitrary this definition is. What is the shooter's field of vision? Is it the whole view from their eye including their peripheral? Or is it a narrower field of view through the sights and to the target? So, even though the blast is more forward than a plain muzzle, it MAY still be very much "in the shooters field of vision". All I am saying is that we can't know for sure.

For anyone interested in further reading and the revision history of the definition (which gives insight to the legislative intent), here is an article we wrote... https://sparrowdynamics.medium.com/f...l-94901d038ddb
Also, please DM or email us if you notice anything wrong that we should correct, because we want it to be a helpful and accurate resource to the community.
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TBH, the concern should be for suppressing the flash to the point that others can't see it to determine a shooters position, if you are going to have a position on the banning such devices.
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in the end, it doesn't matter what it actually does, what matters is what the evil overlords claim it does.
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TBH, the concern should be for suppressing the flash to the point that others can't see it to determine a shooters position, if you are going to have a position on the banning such devices.
That's not how the law is written though.
If your goal is to not break the law, you need to understand how the law is written.
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in the end, it doesn't matter what it actually does, what matters is what the evil overlords claim it does.
Well said.
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By the wording of the law, it IS because it redirects the flash away from the view of the shooter by funneling the flash further forward and into a longer but smaller diameter flame than a plain muzzle or a muzzle brake.
If you look at the fireball, the flash is completely in the field where they are aiming, which is the shooters view. The shooterís view doesnít mean above or below the flash, or behind; the shooter isnít looking there while shooting.

If you use your interpretation, any brake that redirects any blast (for example sideways) would be a flash hider also. We know thatís not the case, since even those make a huge fireball and there is enough excess flash itís going to blind your field of view. Especially at night.

But itís good to know that the politicians in Ca prefer to blind shooters so they canít see where they are aiming. Iím sure that goes hand in hand with the ďsafeĒ handgun roster.
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That's not how the law is written though.
If your goal is to not break the law, you need to understand how the law is written.
I was speaking from the POV of a lawmaker, not a consumer.
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Regardless...I'm intrigued by these.
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In a way it’s like this:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003379774

The flaming pig. That says it’s a flash suppressor and makes a huge fireball.
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Legality wise, I don't know enough about your states laws.

But the Warden and devices like that, do not minimize muzzle flash, they simply direct the blast forward , rather then off to the side. (think shooting in a room with others beside you )

Example of the redirection... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA2vcFpUndg

Example of the Warden amplifying the muzzle flash at night... ( granted a 308 ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW7Crf7dWj4

It doesn't take much to figure out why the Flaming Pig is called that.

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