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12-01-2022, 9:26 PM
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The Glock 30SF (Gen 3) made in Austria, is a CA legal on-Roster handgun.
The Glock 30SF (Gen 3) made in USA, Glock 30S (Gen 3), and Glock 30Gen4 are CA legal off-Roster handguns. ^A CA FFL dealer can only legally transfer them via an exemption.
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12-01-2022, 10:19 PM
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12-02-2022, 5:09 PM
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12-03-2022, 8:28 AM
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Some forums won't delete a thread at an OP's request. At least Calguns allows a poster to return to edit/delete posts, whereas some forums cut-off that ability after a short period of time. When making forum posts, ensure that what you say is ok to be said/read from now to infinity.
Ordering an off-roster handgun into California will likely cause, not only the prospective buyer, but all involved a bit of work. This is likely why some sellers merely just say, "no sales to CA" (among some other states). Some of the things which will/would occur: -The seller, has to get some type of DoJ shipment authorization. -The seller confirms the receiving FFL exists and may even communicate with the FFL directly for info and the FFL's license details. -The seller pulls the handgun from stock, packages it for shipping, and sends the firearm to a receiving FFL. -The seller does various paperwork and logging the firearm/handgun out of its "book". -The CA-FFL receives the firearm, confirming make/model/caliber/serial number; entering the details into its "book" and tags it for the prospective buyer/transferee. -The CA-FFL might contact the buyer at some point if the Buyer doesn't contact the CA-FFL first. Much of this is reversed if the handgun cannot be released to the Buyer, due to the roster, if the seller/seller's FFL will take the return delivery of the gun. What I don't know is what happens to a firearm, and how long it all takes, if the CA-FFL, even temporarily, gets stuck with a firearm which cannot be transferred to the Buyer/intended recipient. I suppose this is related to the policy of CA-FFLs wanting incoming firearm shipments to only come from other FFLs (unless they're in the business of gunsmithing/repair). I suppose. if the DoJ was truly interested, after reading this thread, regarding one potential off-roster transfer, DoJ could possibly research what G30S and G30SF models are in transit; to which FFL(s); then visit the FFL(s) once received, all without a warrant. It'd be too cumbersome to get warrants (if info requests are refused to voluntarily provide the info) to have Calguns i.d. the OP; then get the internet/email provider to also i.d. the OP; then research if the OP has later applied to "DRoS" a Glock 30SF; then still visit the FFL to ensure the G30SF is really what it is and not a G30S, before squashing the transfer. That's a lot of work for one handgun purchase which wouldn't go through due to a buyer ordering an off-roster handgun. I've heard of some G30S owners not even liking that specific model as much as the regular G30SF, anyway (but some do like the G30S more).  Note: I've not been an FFL, I have ordered firearms online. I've worked in Procurement, purchasing, shipping & receiving, inventory, accounting, and even auditing of such. It's all a "PITA" at this point.
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