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Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles. |
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My .02 on making the most of "combat rifle" in CA
OK if you are reading this you are probably CA and if you're on calguns you have at least 2-3 ar-15 type firearms.
Now I think the ideal "suburban carbine" is an SBR but thats not happening anytime soon in CA so the next best thing is an arm brace without getting into the whole shoulder/no shoulder deal cheek weld is legit but, if its SHTF and Los Angeles is burning down I don't think anyone is going t care during or after if the thing touches my shoulder. Being a ca once again limited to 11 within the gun at all times, I think the heavier the cartridge the better as long as one can control it, ergo I have a love affair with .300 blackout and the ballistics on a ca legal 10" pistol are pretty solid and recoil is controllable. After that BUIS are just a sane thing to have, but a red dot with zero magnification or better yet holo are perfect in my opinion inside 100 yards and realistically altercations in the suburbs at over 100 yards? not going to happen. I would think a light but effective flashlight would be useful and wouldn't take up much room/weight. I Don't see a reason to put a ton of gadgets on a carbine, So I'm left with what I believe is the perfect suburban carbine with enough punch and just enough range but super light/compact all by playing with CA rules. Anyone's thoughts on their idea of the perfect CA compliant combat rifle?
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Slo, in my opinion, my perfect AR is half mp5, light room clearing agile and half high powered carbine, damn lethal @ 100 yards. What I'm giving up in velocity in .300 BLK in a 10" vs a 16" is Well worth losing for maneuverability. with 110 grain load the FPS loss is less than 200 fps. Tight hallways, the short barrel is always the better choice,in my opinion.
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When SHTF, "featureless" goes out the window.
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eh, featureless makes no practical difference anyway.
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It does. Typical featureless grips just don't have the amount of leverage to control the rifle one handed and is harder to retain. At least in my experience. If someone has a better featureless grip, I'm all ears.
A buddy of mine really liked the 10.5" carbines in Iraq/Afghanistan. But SBRs are off the table for practically everyone here, so moot. The whole "SHTF" fantasy is fine and dandy to talk about. But here's the thing. Unless the entire country has collapsed and we're staring at a neo-dark age, you'll probably not want to be running around willy nilly committing felonies. There will already be plenty of people doing that. Hurricane Katrina is a good example of what might happen here if the "big one" were to hit. Sure, it might seem apocalyptic at the time, but there is still a govt presence and there will be consequences after all is said and done. There may even be an increased police or National Guard presence and increase the likelihood of being arrested. |
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Mostly self preservation and preventing yourself from being an easy target much like those guys during the riots out here. At least until stability is restored. |
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The only reason to be running around with less than 14.5" is if you are running a suppressor.
Otherwise, you are losing punch for no appreciate/practical ergonomic gain. If quarters are that tight where you cannot negotiate a 28" rifle, then you better be ready for some hand to hand.
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I'm down with a .300 blk build, just haven't gotten there yet. Dream would be a supressed 9"piston AR pistol with a Sig brace.
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bullpup rifle.
the tavor comes to mind as it is what i want. making it ca legal is to weld on the muzzle brake, but when SHTF, just drill that brake off and now you have a 26" rifle. another is the ps90. same thing, drill out welded on brake, and i believe it is shorter than 26". only downside is the scarcity of ammo. you won't be finding any large amounts anywhere
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When the "target" is hit by a 5.56 from a featureless or full featured AR will the "target" Know the difference ?..
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They won't. They won't know you're reloading slower, nor that u have barely a grasp of the weapon when moving or that a little girl can swat the rifle off your hands. All they'll know is that you bit the bullet much easier than the other guy with the featured rifle. LOL
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lol he said featureless during a SHTF scenario
If things were really collapsing would you be worried about the legality of your rifle or your survival ? I look at it this way , if the military can trust their lives to a rifle that has a 16 or 14.7 in barrel than you should be able as well. You can totally run MOUT type ops with these rifles. I dont see the advantages of a 10in pistol vs a 14.7/16in barrel . To me this is one of those Your Weapon vs Your Training situations
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If you dont have gen 3 nods but have multiple craptastic AR's (especially those chambered in .300 blackout without a suppressor which is retarded), you're wrong. Expensive, sure. Suck it up, buttercup. 24 hour guns > 12 hour guns
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Do you find your nods useful when the power goes out in the basement?
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Personally I think a good milspec quality AR in a legal configuration that works for you. Plenty of manual of arms practice so using that weapon will be second nature.
A weapons light is a must as well as a magazine release and an overall lightweight maneuverable firearm. Everything else is purely gravy on top. Beyond that in a SHTF scenario, food + water + med kits would be a major priority. You can get a lot farther using your head than your gun! |
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My take is IF S ever hits the ventilator on a national scale...then it would not matter how your firearms are configured.
Now for living within the legal parameters of CA law there are plenty of options for handy carbines. Here are a couple of mine that I would have no problem calling on for that role. *note the SCR now has a 18" barrel as I use it for coyote hunting mainly. And below is a recent video of myself and my friend using are FRS-15 equipped 9mm AR's in a USPSA match...plenty handy and good to 100 yards. .
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Nice guns. I want one of those Montecarlo stocked SCR's. I haven't checked lately, I wonder if the lowers are around now. I have a 20" on my SCR sporter. Be careful someone doesn't slap that Thordsen out your hands, hahah. |
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Bansh88, Regarding the 10 round elephant in the room I'd say nobody here has intention of braking any ca laws especially in peace time but, I think everyone with a 10/30 has cordless dremel/screwdriver/ some kind of tool to FIX the magazines if its life or death in a hot minute. This thread is about playing by CA rules and not getting caught off guard.
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Obviously, the best thing to do is try your hardest to avoid any firefight. The idea of the perfect firearm is probably what is perfect for you. One that you are completely familiar with and practiced with.
Personally, I like the M92 instead of the pistol AR for the faux SBR duty, mainly because I have some. But if it were really happening I would grab a SCAR 16 or 17 with folding stock. Easy to get into and out of car. Easier to somewhat conceal under a big jacket while still delivering full power and more barrier penetration. Common cartridge too.
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Interesting Choice OP. I have some of the same feelings as you.
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This is my opinion of the perfect CA suburban carbine, the paper is the ATF sig brace letter for ignorant LEO.
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Thats a big pile of junk, no offense
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Got mah home def self def STFH close quarter blah blah humma Schumma herp a derp EMP EOW ready for Mad Max blah blah Red Dawn merca good2go hunker down bugout bag rock n roll preppd up for apocalypse Internet Walter Mitty cyber diahrrea gum flapping fantasy nonsense
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Hey Couch, how do you wear the Nods in your cubicle, - do you have a night vision capable computer monitor? Enquiring minds want to know.
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