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Old 06-03-2021, 6:12 AM
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I guess we will see how it goes.. I hope it passes with the Governor's signature but not holding my breath.. if it passes with a legislative override so be it. This would put 22 con carry states.. that's massive.
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Beyond that Texas is a huge coup as a very populous state.
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Indeed. I'd like to see "Vermont Carry" in Florida as well, especially given the number of electoral votes there (as many as New York). We all here know that gun-control laws were, and are, inherently racist (e. g. the Mulford Act). So, to see Constitutional Carry happening in increasing amounts of states, that makes me, a racial minority, feel better. We are, gradually, reversing these racist gun control laws and respecting your, and my, freedom once again.
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Beyond that Texas is a huge coup as a very populous state.
plus it’s a state the dems would love to flip. didn’t bloomberg spend millions trying to flip Tx?

If this is like most other pro-gun bills, Gov Abbott will likely hold a signing ceremony at a popular gun shop/ shooting range in Austin.
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How would that affect them? Only the residents that live there.

The CC is mostly an FU to the feds, not other states.
The blue states ARE the feds.....
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This is true. I monitor social media and so much angst over Texas becoming a constitutional carry state by the antis as opposed to others (Utah, Montana, Iowa, etc). They act like the elimination of an instant background check and a 6-hour training course that can be done in half a Saturday is the end of the world.
Yes, very, very important. Biggest state we can flip to CC reasonably quickly. More on why this populousness matters at bottom.

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What these people don't grasp is the training is to know the law and proper handling of firearms. It doesn't turn someone good (or bad).
Numerous states have a shall issue permit system with no training required. There's no stats showing the training requirement cuts down on accidents,exc.
Doesn't matter, it's the population count that matters. See bottom.
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WILD WEST PIMP STYLE! Thank you, Ann Johnson (D-TX)!

Indeed. I'd like to see "Vermont Carry" in Florida as well, especially given the number of electoral votes there (as many as New York). We all here know that gun-control laws were, and are, inherently racist (e. g. the Mulford Act). So, to see Constitutional Carry happening in increasing amounts of states, that makes me, a racial minority, feel better. We are, gradually, reversing these racist gun control laws and respecting your, and my, freedom once again.
Moreso than number is size and prominence of state that matters. Texas matters far more than 3 or 4 or 5 rust belt/midwest states flipping. See bottom.

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plus itís a state the dems would love to flip. didnít bloomberg spend millions trying to flip Tx?

If this is like most other pro-gun bills, Gov Abbott will likely hold a signing ceremony at a popular gun shop/ shooting range in Austin.
This is a tremendous coup. Tremendous.

Why?

Austin *is* considered a Cool city that matters to the elite. SXSW. Elon Musk moving to Texas, and a bunch of other businesses. Texas is the "cool" red state. For status obsessed which is a huge part of the Oligarch class, all that matters is a handful of cities and places. They're like religious zealots with holy sites. Texas is the "coolest" of the red states, Aspen is cool, Jackson Hole is cool, but for vacation or niche people. Austin/Texas is actually a place people might consider even if doing well and not outdoors junkies.

Additionally... Texas is the 2nd most populous state. A HUGE argument is that "density" and "population size" matters.
"Well that's fine for Wyoming and Montana, but things are DIFFERENT in big cities!"
Well Texas is a big haha no, you're wrong.

Getting Florida as well would be huge. Then you blow a big hole in the entire idea of population size being a relevant problem. Many people make it into urban vs. rural, so getting that disproved is tremendous.
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Thumbs up Michigan CC bills introduced

SB489-492: A series of bills needed to switch Michigan to CC have been introduced in the senate and have been assigned to the Senate Government Operations Committee.
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Penn and now Michigan!? outstanding
OK now. I want constitutional carry in every state as much as anybody, but with this as the governor of Michigan, we have to be realistic about expectations.

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Yep. Gonna need 2/3rds majorities in both states to override the veto. Donít have it right now.
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SB489-492: A series of bills needed to switch Michigan to CC have been introduced in the senate and have been assigned to the Senate Government Operations Committee.
https://www.misenategop.com/senate-r...y-legislation/
Michigan is interesting, they currently have "universal recognition" in that they honor ALL other state permits, however they DO NOT honor non-resident permits and they don't issue Michigan permits to non-residents!

So that essentially prevents everyone who can't obtain in a permit in their state of residence from concealed carry, but this would all be moot if we could get CC in Michigan! Would love to see the Michigan Witch get her veto massively overridden!
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Yep. Gonna need 2/3rds majorities in both states to override the veto. Don’t have it right now.
If it passes both chambers and gets vetoed it becomes an election issue come the next gubernatorial election. If it doesn’t pass both chambers it doesn’t become a gubernatorial election issue. IOW getting CC past both chambers in MI and/or PA is not a waste of time, not a futile gesture.
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If it passes both chambers and gets vetoed it becomes an election issue come the next gubernatorial election. If it doesnít pass both chambers it doesnít become a gubernatorial election issue. IOW getting CC past both chambers in MI and/or PA is not a waste of time, not a futile gesture.
Sure. Get everyone on the record. Hopefully any committee chairs who desk-drawer veto get exposed as essentially a NO vote.
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If it passes both chambers and gets vetoed it becomes an election issue come the next gubernatorial election. If it doesnít pass both chambers it doesnít become a gubernatorial election issue. IOW getting CC past both chambers in MI and/or PA is not a waste of time, not a futile gesture.
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I believe Abbott will have a signing ceremony tomorrow (or Thursday) at the Alamo. He said during a radio interview that he'd be signing all three..
And when he does....

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Abbott just signed constitution carry an hour ago!!! 21st baby!! [emoji869][emoji869][emoji869][emoji322][emoji322][emoji379][emoji379]
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OK now. I want constitutional carry in every state as much as anybody, but with this as the governor of Michigan, we have to be realistic about expectations.

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I expect this map to be updated with Texas later today.

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I expect this map to be updated with Texas later today.

What I don't understand is why more Red States are not CC.
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Nebraska looks ugly and needs to be fixed when the map is updated
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Well, once the map is updated for Texas, Colorado and New Mexico are going to stand out like a sore thumb too.
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Well, once the map is updated for Texas, Colorado and New Mexico are going to stand out like a sore thumb too.
I mean I'm trying to be realistic here...
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I havenít contacted that mapís maker in over a decade. Plus I think they passed it over since then to someone else.
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Such a beautiful sight.. do we have a list of states actively trying to get Constitution Carry?
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You are obviously reading this thread. Its all here.
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Next state up is Louisiana: weíre awaiting the governorís veto followed by a veto override vote.

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So, the Texas bill has been signed into law. The law, however, only applies to residents (at least according to the media, which is often wrong). This could be problematic if itís challenged by a non-resident looking to carry in Texas with no permit.
One could invoke the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Texas would either have to concede and allow non-residents to carry permit less. Or, it would have to argue that there really isnít a right to carry and therefore itís laws arenít discriminatory.
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Per the GOA, HB 1927 applies equally to residents and non-residents.

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You mean the media got it wrong? [emoji44][emoji44] I'm shocked, shocked I'll tell ya..
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According to the last paragraph of this article, CC will become law in Louisiana unless Gov Edwards vetoes it by June 24 — one week from today!

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According to the last paragraph of this article, CC will become law in Louisiana unless Gov Edwards vetoes it by June 24 ó one week from today!

[emoji848] He may do just that knowing that a veto would be political suicide.. by letting it just "become law" he can claim he never signed it..
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According to the last paragraph of this article, CC will become law in Louisiana unless Gov Edwards vetoes it by June 24 ó one week from today!

Louisiana is on this too?

DAAANG I thought it was gonna be hard to fight the D machine there!

Now Nerbraska really DOES suck in comparison.

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https://texas.gunowners.org/1927faq/
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According to the last paragraph of this article, CC will become law in Louisiana unless Gov Edwards vetoes it by June 24 ó one week from today!

I just saw a report today that the date was June 14th. Governor let it become law.. so apparently LA beat Tx by a day??
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I just saw a report today that the date was June 14th. Governor let it become law.. so apparently LA beat Tx by a day??
Havenít seen any confirmed reports about it becoming law yet.
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