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ATF Keeps Copy Of Form 4473?
The online software FFLs use for a 4473 allows the entire bound book to be handed to ATF on a thumb drive.
How do we know that is erased by ATF after review? By LAW they can't maintain copies of bound books. They also can't demand records > 20 years. Federal gun registration behind our backs? |
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It’s my understanding that they law is ignored and records and registry are kept.
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I suppose it depends on the ethics of certain agents.
I was visited by a federal AFT agent once. I was overly excited to have moved out of CA for a while, and went nuts at the gun store. So they visited me to make sure my purchases were not crossing over state lines as a straw purchase to less friendly states. Anyway, he wanted to see I still possessed all the recent purchases. He had a hand written list of said purchases, and I thought it was kind of sad he couldn't easily do a print out. The list wasn't short. So, did he ethically not have data stored on a server where he could just print it off or was this for show for my sake he had to hand jam all the data of my recent purchases. ************ Regardless............ it showed me one thing.......... They are watching............. There are flags I set off............ I will be more careful in the future........... I did nothing illegal. I had no intention of doing anything illegal, but I still had federal agents show up to my door. They are watching......... ************ The rules ethical agents follow are being broken by those without those same ethics. So yes the ATF does have the data. Someone in some office there does have the data and is breaking the rules just waiting for the rules to change.
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We’re you purchasing multiple firearms at the same time on the same 4473? Did you do that more than a few times? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Arizona has no law requiring firearms dealers to initiate background checks prior to transferring a firearm. ... As a result, concealed weapon permit holders in Arizona are exempt from the federal background check requirement when purchasing a handgun. https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state...es-in-arizona/ Once again in liberal states who knows and probably. Last edited by Endless; 04-16-2021 at 9:43 PM.. |
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If you have an 03 FFL, the proper response is "call me during working hours and make an appointment to view my bound book". |
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