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  • waygeekierthanu
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Sep 2010
    • 2707

    4473s changing, now includes non-binary for gender



    I am not a huge fan of having more on page 2, and the first part of the first section not being done by the purchaser.. just adds more instruction. I do like that the citizenship question is in a better place!

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  • #2
    tenpercentfirearms
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Apr 2005
    • 13007

    I don't like this at all. The customer does not need to be filling out Section A (which they will with it right there), that is going to be a hot mess. We need more lines for guns, not less. Section B should all be on the same front page for error or denial checking.

    This is a disaster.
    www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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    • #3
      waygeekierthanu
      Vendor/Retailer
      • Sep 2010
      • 2707

      Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
      I don't like this at all. The customer does not need to be filling out Section A (which they will with it right there), that is going to be a hot mess. We need more lines for guns, not less. Section B should all be on the same front page for error or denial checking.



      This is a disaster.
      We are going to be responding to their public comment., You should too!

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      We have Atlas gun works single shot 2011 available! If it is on their website we can get it for you.

      We have single shot AR pistols in stock!

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      • #4
        tenpercentfirearms
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Apr 2005
        • 13007

        I found the comment e-mail address here.

        FederalRegisterNoticeATFF4473@atf.gov
        www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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        • #5
          kemasa
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jun 2005
          • 10706

          The firearms should be filled out prior to the buyer/transferee filling out anything due to the wording of 11a currently, new form 21a.

          Having the firearms on the first page makes some sense, it makes it easier to just look at the front page and see the firearms (unless there is additional firearms) and the person's name.

          People sometimes try to continue filling out the form as it is. It would be nice if it was separated.

          People don't like changes though and this is a change.

          With that said, I am still not a fan of it.
          Kemasa.
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          • #6
            code_blue
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2012
            • 3452

            Link is now dead
            Classifieds:

            Radian & Aero Pistol lowers, Folsom

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            • #7
              XxWoodsHunterxX
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 1697

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              • #8
                kemasa
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jun 2005
                • 10706

                You can find it by doing a search. Use the file name in the link.
                Kemasa.
                False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

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                • #9
                  kemasa
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 10706

                  Try:

                  Kemasa.
                  False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                  Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                  Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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                  • #10
                    Tyke8319
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 2105

                    Updated 4473

                    When did these come out...or...are they in the mail now?
                    American soldier by choice. Made in America by the Grace of God.

                    So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State.
                    Judge Roger T. Benitez
                    LCM's ruled legal 3/29/2019

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                    • #11
                      waygeekierthanu
                      Vendor/Retailer
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 2707

                      Originally posted by Tyke8319
                      When did these come out...or...are they in the mail now?
                      They are out for public review, not official yet

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                      We have 2011 single shot pistols available!

                      We have Atlas gun works single shot 2011 available! If it is on their website we can get it for you.

                      We have single shot AR pistols in stock!

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                      • #12
                        taperxz
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 19395

                        County/Parish/Borough

                        Thank You!

                        No more USA

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                        • #13
                          Tyke8319
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Nov 2013
                          • 2105

                          Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                          I don't like this at all. The customer does not need to be filling out Section A (which they will with it right there), that is going to be a hot mess. We need more lines for guns, not less. Section B should all be on the same front page for error or denial checking.

                          This is a disaster.
                          Shouldn't "we" be filling out Part A before the customer begins filling out Part B?
                          I think that's how I'd be doing it.
                          American soldier by choice. Made in America by the Grace of God.

                          So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State.
                          Judge Roger T. Benitez
                          LCM's ruled legal 3/29/2019

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                          • #14
                            taperxz
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 19395

                            Originally posted by Tyke8319
                            Shouldn't "we" be filling out Part A before the customer begins filling out Part B?
                            I think that's how I'd be doing it.
                            Those are the instructions

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                            • #15
                              kemasa
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 10706

                              Also:




                              That is nice, except when I notice the details. It says that all entries must be handwritten. If it is an additional sheet and if the 4473 can be done on the computer, why does the additional firearms have to be handwritten?
                              Last edited by kemasa; 12-30-2019, 1:53 PM.
                              Kemasa.
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                              Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

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