Sonoma

[707caz]

Mine does.

[renomay]

Interesting. When did you get yours? Mine must be older.

[707caz]

Interesting. When did you get yours? Mine must be older.

[renomay]

I got mine in August. Looks like the newer policy went into effect late October.

[TheBest]

A stock Glock is definitely better than no Glock, but it would seem to me there is and should be a difference between modifications and accessories.

Did anyone who asked get any indication as to whether this policy is a unchanged holdover or is new? I doubt anyone has a Pre-Essick policy sheet?

Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but at least in regards to accessories (sights, lights) a few respectful letters making the case for why they should be allowed may go a long way in changing the policy. I can imagine the argument that could be made for why triggers etc. shouldn't be modified, but I come up dry with any argument against sights or lights. The use of "adding laser sights" in the policy makes it murkier, but I'd almost think that the "no changes whatsoever" that was being given as a response to inquiries may be a misinterpretation.

I took my training course in Ukiah over a month after the policy was posted. They went down the line asking Sonoma residents if anyone had modifications. Most people had upgraded sights and the instructors seemed to think that was okay. So if the policy is actually so strict that we can only use right out of the box guns, there's definitely a communication breakdown.

Additionally, in the policy under the renewal section:
"Submitting any firearm to be considered for a license renewal to the Firearms Instructor for a full safety inspection. The Sheriff reserves the right to deny a license for any firearm that has been altered from the manufacturer’s specifications or that is unsafe".
This would definitely imply the "previously approved" portion of the license restrictions means what was qualified with, not what is stock.


Unrelated side question as I'm still awaiting final approval and haven't found an answer anywhere. Is there a duty to inform law enforcement of your CCW if you were to get pulled over in Sonoma? If no, and you are visiting a county where you would, do their rules apply or do you follow the issuing county's policy?

When it's a statement like that, it leads me to believe that lightening the trigger would make it "altered from mfg's spec or unsafe" whereas a light or laser has no bearing on the performance or safety features.

[LarsHansent]

Okay, I assumed there would be duty to inform, but it's good to get confirmation. Thanks guys!

Reno, definitely agree about mags and good idea with insurance/registration placement - I'm gonna adopt it.

[renomay]

The part that I’m honestly most upset about is the change in restrictions about duty to inform. Because at the time I got my permit there was no duty to inform. And that’s not on my license to inform them. So what if I got pulled over and didn’t know to inform them? Am I under those term that didn’t exist? They have all my contact information so why didn’t they let everyone know about that?

[Spyder]

Be reasonable.

If yours does not have that requirement on it, and you were not told of the requirement when yours was issued, then you would not have been in violation of anything had you not informed.

Now that you know the policy is changed, it would be prudent to inform, even if your paper permit does not say it is required.

It's not that big of a deal, and in my opinion, makes a whole lot more sense to inform whether required by policy or not. "Officer, before I go reaching around my car for paperwork, I just want you to know I have a CCW and it's on my hip/center console/wherever."

That is how I have treated it every time I've been stopped while carrying a gun, and it has never once been more of a situation than "ok, thanks for letting me know. Sign here."

Just be reasonable and don't overreact to things. It makes life much simpler.

[P220forever]

Well I haven't checked in in awhile and was thrilled to see how much progress we've made here in Sonoma County! I just got done submitting my application and I'm pretty sure I've got reasonable good cause. Between having CCW's in NV and UT plus carrying large sums of cash to and from southern NV several times a year I'm hoping to finally be able to carry in my home state. The only thing that could trip me up is two very minor misdemeanor convictions, one from 1977 and one from 1997. Non-violent.
Has anybody received a permit who has a criminal record similar to mine?

[NorCalBusa]

I don't believe CLETS holds any CCW information. Now if the Dispatcher wants to sniff around (or is asked) they can probably get to it by simply calling the county issuing and asking- those folks can find it for sure, but they'll need your name, maybe your DOB to be sure.

[renomay]

Just wanna day thank y’all for bein here. Great to have a community of people in the area.

[California Machine]

And you've got folks still paying attention from out of the area! Sending our best from Kansas!

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[P220forever]

And I want to thank YOU for putting those videos together.
Stellar job, Reno!

[Paladin]

I suggest sending Sheriff Essick a "thank you" card saying how much you appreciate his liberalizing the GC standard for CCWs, allowing you to protect "you & yours" while in public. Tell him you'll vote for him and support his campaign should he run again in 2022.

Be sure to tell any family, friends or shooting buddies in Sonoma Co that they can now probably get a CA CCW if they want.

[renomay]

I’ll probably reach out. would be nice.