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  • #31
    ugimports
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Jun 2009
    • 6250

    Originally posted by Tyke8319
    I suspect it tends to narrow the suspect field when warrants are issued for them who provide false info. to the govment.
    I would think they can just lookup the person's id dl or passport. Are they really going to rely on the 4473? We all know they dont enforce the perjury laws for the most part already. So I just think they should save the space since in reality they do nothing with that information.

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    • #32
      kemasa
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jun 2005
      • 10706

      Originally posted by ugimports
      So how does it help now that people can claim non binary. How does that help you identify them?
      That doesn't, it makes it more difficult.
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      • #33
        PogoJack
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2014
        • 2139

        I thought the 4473 already asked if you were mentally ill?

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        • #34
          dvs762
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 1790

          so all those millions of 4473's we all have..i have over 1000 are scrap then...stupid waste...damn PC SJW's and they need to STOP reducing the number of firearms on the 4473...jeez..just more work..
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          • #35
            DB>
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2017
            • 817

            There does seem to be something inherently rather dangerous about allowing someone who can't figure out whether they are a boy or a girl to have a gun (they can't figure out if they already got one or not, they probably shouldn't be getting one, either way?).

            This is not meant to belittle in ANY way the right to self defense for ANY law abiding citizen, but rather to question the lack of sense in the entire system!

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            • #36
              jcwatchdog
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 2571

              Originally posted by waygeekierthanu
              https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...wSsvQvrMAXjQYQ

              I am not a huge fan of having more on page 2, and the first part of the first section not being done by the purchaser.. just adds more instruction. I do like that the citizenship question is in a better place!

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              • #37
                waygeekierthanu
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Sep 2010
                • 2713

                Your driver's license has to match what you choose on the federal form... So as long as you are willing to make that change in the DMV go for it!

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                • #38
                  signalH
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 22

                  Originally posted by kemasa
                  That doesn't, it makes it more difficult.
                  It's just getting worse, KS. Never ending suppression of our 2a rights. Moving to a free state is looking a lot better.

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                  • #39
                    taperxz
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 19395

                    Originally posted by signalH
                    It's just getting worse, KS. Never ending suppression of our 2a rights. Moving to a free state is looking a lot better.

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                    Please explain how moving to a free state affects changes on Federal Form 4473?

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                    • #40
                      signalH
                      Junior Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 22

                      My bad on that one taperxz. Nothing to do with it. Please ignore.

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                      • #41
                        kemasa
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 10706

                        Originally posted by taperxz
                        Please explain how moving to a free state affects changes on Federal Form 4473?
                        When you don't have to go through a dealer for private sales :-)
                        Kemasa.
                        False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

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                        • #42
                          ugimports
                          Vendor/Retailer
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 6250

                          Looks like the new form is coming whether we like it or not

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                          • #43
                            HPT
                            • Jan 2018
                            • 127

                            I received a very similar response this morning as well. Looks like the new form is coming no matter what input we provide.

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                            • #44
                              kankon
                              Junior Member
                              • Jan 2020
                              • 1

                              Originally posted by ugimports
                              So how does it help now that people can claim non binary. How does that help you identify them?

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                              This makes it easier for people with 'non-binary' on their driver's license to be identified.

                              Originally posted by PogoJack
                              I thought the 4473 already asked if you were mentally ill?

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                              Originally posted by The War Wagon
                              BOVINE EXCREMENT!!!!
                              NEITHER does a dude with a "Y" chromosome, who's missing his Johnson, become a chick!

                              You ARE, what your chromosomes SAY you are.

                              Period.
                              It always makes me laugh when other gun owners complain about having their rights taken away when they are more than happy to hope that anyone outside of their preferred group will have their rights taken away. People like you have devastated this movement from the Mulford Act onwards.

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