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Started to look into the 35 mos, 35l seems like it would be awesome to get into.
35L is for current service E5 or E4 promotable. You'll have to move into there from another 35 serices MOS.

35M and 35L are over strength, the promotion points are astronomical.

I'd go 35G (imagery) or 35F (all source). 35S (signals/evesdroppingNSA type stuff) is good too.
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31 b mp you get swat training and it's easy to transition into le.
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If the intel field continues to interest you, but the Army won't work with you, the Navy has a wide Cryptologic Technician community that consists of multiple series ratings from linguist to hacker.

Don't get locked on one branch... I started my enlistment process with the Army because that's where my buddies had served. The Navy was always the farthest from my mind... yet, it turned out they had the best job to fit my interests and goals.
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If the intel field continues to interest you, but the Army won't work with you, the Navy has a wide Cryptologic Technician community that consists of multiple series ratings from linguist to hacker.

Don't get locked on one branch... I started my enlistment process with the Army because that's where my buddies had served. The Navy was always the farthest from my mind... yet, it turned out they had the best job to fit my interests and goals.
Haas, I thought that you were reserve Navy flyboy? Are you active?
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I have been a working medic for 25 yrs. If I could go back and do it over, I would have done something different. This is a unique opportunity. Use it to your advantage.
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Haas, I thought that you were reserve Navy flyboy? Are you active?
Yeah, I'm active... that's why I've only been in California for maybe 3 weeks total in the past 2 years.
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Aahhh there are to many jobs to choose! Idk what to pick that can translate into something since I am going reserve so I will need a job after ait
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Why are you going Reserve if you don't already have a career? Go active, broaden your horizons, live in new places, and get the full benefits of active duty.
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Why are you going Reserve if you don't already have a career? Go active, broaden your horizons, live in new places, and get the full benefits of active duty.
Yep................. and by doing so you'd have a much better chance at finding the MOS you want. The catch with going reserve is they will only allow you to look for an MOS in your geographic area.

One can only get the GI Bill by 36 months of active duty which is not really an easy thing only being a Reserve. Or it can be used by taking a prorated portion of your total active duty.

The reserve path with the GI Bill as the objective isn't an ideal path for someone young wanting to go to school. While on active duty one could peck away at classes, and then finish off school with the GI bill once off of Active and having earned the full benefits of the GI Bill.

Getting a TS/SCI isn't even remotely a promise of any employment once out of AIT. All the best jobs are on the east coast, and would require a degree.

I learned quickly once out of AIT as a reserve one really doesn't have any military experience to leverage in the job market.

The biggest problem children in my unit are the young ones with little employment prospect and can't afford to drive themselves to drill. The guy replacing me here on this deployment (Intel Analyst) is a city gardener when he isn't deployed.

Only active duty will promise you can legitimately say you did your MOS with any amount of work history.
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I'm still having a tough time deciding what to do.
My goal is hopefully get into law enforcement and I have been trying for some time now with no avail.

Right now I am 25 turning 26 this year and currently have my associates degree in criminal justice. I have about two more years till I can get my bachelors. I was going to transfer to a local university and get a degree in sociology with an emphasis in criminology ( that is pretty much the only thing my associate counts toward) if I was to do the reserves I wanted to learn something that I could use as a backup in case I never get hired my a deparmtnet or maybe go Into that career.

I was going to be a 68w then when I finish ait get some emt hours then have the military pay for paramedic school. The more I look at it though it seems like I can go to a local community college near me and get the emt class done in a couple months....so now I'm torn on what to do if I was to join the military. I want something that can translate well into a career outside the military if for some reason I don't like it and get out after my contract is up.
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I would highly advocate you look at going Active Duty instead of Reserve. I was in a similar situation to you a few years back... 27, Bachelor's in Criminal Justice, in the holding pattern for several state and federal LE agencies and having a hard time wondering if I even wanted to go back to being a beat cop. I walked into the Army recruiter because that's the branch several of my buddies from high school had gone into and it's what I was familiar with... they wanted me to be an 88K despite scoring a 96 AFQT and near max on all my line scores. I spoke to an Air Force recruiter, but they were only offering open contracts at the time... she was actually the one who recommended I speak with the Navy, since one of my interests was to fly.

I was one of those guys who always used to make "gay navy" jokes... but when I put branch loyalty aside, I actually found that they were the branch that could offer exactly what I was looking for: a guarantee in my contract to fly, with a security clearance and highly marketable technical training. Now, if I choose to get out after my contract is up, my rate is very sought after by everything from L3 and Evergreen, to Customs and Border Protection and other alphabet soup agencies.

Point is... you're not tied down anywhere. Go do 4-6 years in a branch that's going to give you benefits, a security clearance (Top Secret/SCI preferably), and some kind of advanced technical training... be it language, computers, intelligence, etc. Then, you can always get out and go right back to applying with LE agencies if that's what you want... or, you've now got a lot of valuable skills from the military that other companies will pay you a good salary to employ.
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I was one of those guys who always used to make "gay navy" jokes... but when I put branch loyalty aside,
We also make the most money :O. Submarines was $$$$... sea pay, sub pay, fast advancement, haz duty / imminent danger hostile fire, family sep pay when deployed.

Most tech rates also have signing bonuses (or did a few years ago!).
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Okay I skimmed the thread because this is a lot to read in short time and I just discovered this subsection. Now, are you set on any branch? I would recommend the Navy but I am biased I suppose. They just changed promotion regs again and if you're smart and motivated you can pickup quickly. I was frocked to IS2/E-5 in 2 years 7 months, advanced this March.

Intel is a GREAT field and can transfer easily to a lifetime career, military or civilian or both. 35M or 3913 (Navy NEC) requires a certain type of person to really excel at it. I have the 3924 NEC and am going to the 3913 school. Education is important and you will need a bachelor's to get any good jobs in intel, it doesn't matter if it's in hippopotamus science as long as you have an accredited Bachelor's. Look at Navy IS (Intelligence Specialist) alongside the 35 Army MOS. Think about what you want long term but that's hard to do without having a taste of it. I started out being trained as a pure all-source/OPINTEL analyst but now I specialize in Cyber and HUMINT. Pick your rate pick your fate...

EDIT: Let us know how the ASVAB comes.. as long as you score in the 70's or higher you can get most jobs. I scored a 97, the Navy will push nuclear ratings on you. If you're really looking to do tactical things, have you looked at Marine Corps intel? Do not join the (Ch)Air Force. I spend half or more of my time at a desk but there are high speed positions available even in the Navy (think dirt sailor). NSW units, SEAL teams, NEIC, Seabees, the list goes on... JSOC...

You can try and finish off your bachelors with tuition assistance and use the Post 9/11 GI bill for the rest of your bachelor's AND get a Master's even! I'm 21/young and dumb/ in my third year of college and still taking courses with AMU while I'm deployed as I write this. 4.0 average as well, it's definitely doable! Years of experience in the field and a Bachelor's/Master's degree will make you very marketable... go to clearance jobs or USAjobs and look at some open intel positions, just scratching the surface and there $100k+ positions all over the place. A high speed contracting job in Afghanistan at one point would pay you $200-300k a year!!!! Times have changed...

Lol attention to detail shipmate, you scored in the 80's nice! That's high enough to tell the recruiter what job you want with some authority. Get a school in writing.
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As much as I want to agree with the guys who say "get a job that transfers over", i cant. If you can exceed in a life and death scenario, I'm sure you can get a good job. Its all about will power at that point and the guys iv'e seen who do the fighting certainly have it. It's all up to you. Just get the job that interests you the most.
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hey guys its getting close for me to pick what job i am going to hopefully get. i had to talk to the captain on my areas recruiting area and explain to him why i had two tickets in 09 and 10.... he cleared me to move on in the process. I have already went to meps and took the asvab and had the wonderful physical...

im still torn between what job to pick. I originally wanted to go 68W to help me get into either a paramedic job and eventually in some other medical field. I have also been looking into other intel jobs since I hear they translate into well paying jobs in the civilian side.

this is my realization however, after reading all your guys responses and very helpful adivce it seems that if i was to choose an intel job i wouldnt get that much experience since I am only a reservist so it would not help me very much in getting a job that works with intel since i would be freshly trained and would not be getting much experience. So my thinking would be to stick with the 68W since i would earn certifications after completing AIT then move into some other field such as a paramedic or a head start on RN school or something along those lines. i would hopefully get an EMT job after getting back from AIT to use what i learned before going to paramedic school.

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Well, I am a reservist myself and sorry to burst your bubble but you won't have much experience at all doing just reserves no matter your job. Intel can be high paying but you actually need to be **** hot to start landing good positions.

I have spent most of my time on active orders but I don't see why you don't just go active duty...
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I have spent most of my time on active orders but I don't see why you don't just go active duty...
I'm also still not understanding why you're going Reserve...
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I like the flexibility. Being an intel professional makes it different than most ratings...

and I still get like a $60k re-up bonus
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One can string annual orders together while a reservist.

I've done it, but there are more con's than pro's.

So I effectively have nearly 3 years active while serving as an intel analyst while a reserve while in the USA. It entirely depends on your unit, and the active component they support. So I was lucky in that regard.

The catch is orders will never cross over fiscal years, and the money for the next year will never be ready before the current one is up. So you basically go unemployed from October till when the government allows the new budget to start being spent.

Also, the reserves only lets you do 36 months on orders (deployment time doesn't count, and restarts the clock). Then you have to take 12 months off every other year. Otherwise one could string together an entire active duty career as a reserve never having to move units, and stay at the lower ranks forever.

So after this deployment I might get one set of orders for several more months, and then that's it. I'll have used up all my 36 months time, and I'll go back into the civilian sector.

I don't know if business knows it or not, but an intel MOS completely transfers over to the civilian business sector in the form of Business Analyst, and Marketing Analyst. You take data, compile it into something and make a business decision based on it. You also use a lot of the same computer systems and databases. For the most part, intelligence databases are commercial products altered for intel use.

The TS/SCI thing isn't worth as much as one might think. The whole working with any data, compiling it into a usable format, and presenting it in a professional setting to your bosses so they can make a decision is the value of the MOS. The clearance is merely because of the subject matter of the information.
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One can string annual orders together while a reservist.

I've done it, but there are more con's than pro's.

So I effectively have nearly 3 years active while serving as an intel analyst while a reserve while in the USA. It entirely depends on your unit, and the active component they support. So I was lucky in that regard.

The catch is orders will never cross over fiscal years, and the money for the next year will never be ready before the current one is up. So you basically go unemployed from October till when the government allows the new budget to start being spent.

Also, the reserves only lets you do 36 months on orders (deployment time doesn't count, and restarts the clock). Then you have to take 12 months off every other year. Otherwise one could string together an entire active duty career as a reserve never having to move units, and stay at the lower ranks forever.

So after this deployment I might get one set of orders for several more months, and then that's it. I'll have used up all my 36 months time, and I'll go back into the civilian sector.

I don't know if business knows it or not, but an intel MOS completely transfers over to the civilian business sector in the form of Business Analyst, and Marketing Analyst. You take data, compile it into something and make a business decision based on it. You also use a lot of the same computer systems and databases. For the most part, intelligence databases are commercial products altered for intel use.

The TS/SCI thing isn't worth as much as one might think. The whole working with any data, compiling it into a usable format, and presenting it in a professional setting to your bosses so they can make a decision is the value of the MOS. The clearance is merely because of the subject matter of the information.
Agree with you. TS//SCI jobs will pay better though. All the 100k,200k,300k jobs are TS//SCI (usually poly too).

I've never seen business analysts postings that were looking for that experience.. they generally seem to be asking for specific finance experience and some certs I haven't heard of. To each their own but I would much rather just do military intel than marketing analysis... and I do collections as well anyways.

edit: From what I've seen Army has a different set of rules regarding those orders, not sure if it's the difference between the titles authorizing the orders or what, I'm blurry on the details now. The Navy wait is 6 months IIRC after 36 months minimum, but the Navy has different ways to write orders.. AT, ADT, ADSW that you can get around the 36 month rule.
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The Navy wait is 6 months IIRC after 36 months minimum, but the Navy has different ways to write orders.. AT, ADT, ADSW that you can get around the 36 month rule.
Yes, it depends on your Admin's ability to game the system. Regardless, it's still always a circus dancing through the funding sources to get soldiers on orders every new fiscal year.

It is in no way a solid career path to float from orders to orders. It's a nice thing to use when young soldiers get out of AIT and have't got anything else going on.

There are a few high paying intel gigs out there (down range), but the requirements are much higher (i.e. previous specific experience).

Having an MBA in Finance, and having worked in Marketing Analysis I can tell you the jobs are VERY similar. Marketing and Business analysis would be easier to get into (since financial analysis does require specific credentials). The same computers are used, everyone uses MS Office. Data integrity and document tracking is important.

The catch is no one knows how similar the skill sets are. So intel guys looking for civilian jobs need to express thier ability to take large amounts of data and condense it into usable information using a mryiad of different database platforms.
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If you are looking to pursue a career in any LE field, I highly recommend an Intel Spot with the Guard, either army or Air force. Now I can't speak for Snoopy47 or Gawernator but my experiences have led me to a job as a Sheriff which I don't think I would have gotten as easily without. Being in intelligence means doing a ALOT of research, lots of report writing (MISREP, SITREP, INFOREP...) an making critical assessments based of everything around you. That's exactly what LE wants. Good report writers and people who can critically think when making quick decisions, which you have to use as your selling point. While it's true our TS/SCI clearances won't help much with local LE but shows that you have been trusted with a high level of information and if you are looking at 3 letter agencies it helps. In the guard we have a supplement mission called CounterDrug were we work side by side with the DEA and Local LE. It's not an intel only mission but the majority of jobs are analysts with TS clearances. These are contract assignments but with DAS and BAH included some E-4s are making $70k a year. I've been offered Active Reserve jobs with them however turned them down to pursue career as local LE. Just something to consider. Look into ANG Afsc 1N0 and network with everyone. Plus the 1N0 field has plenty of schools they can send you to in order I expand your knowledge ( SERE, Weapons school, Water survival...)

Also as a reservist I get an extra 10 points on my score when I'm applying for most LE jobs. I've actually scored so high that even a regular civilian with a score of 100 on their oral board couldn't pass me when I got a 95 + the 10 extra = 105
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From what I have seen, military experience will not help you get a job unless you do it for a long period of time and it helps to be in a leadership position. I have seen many people get out with all kinds of schools and training and still not be able to find a job in their field. If you are wanting a career, go active duty. You will get a lot more out of it. Joining just to become an EMT is goofy. I went to a community college and did an EMT-B course in a semester while taking other classes and working full time. Why would you join the military for that? If you want to be a medic then do it for real or don't do it. Sign up to be a Ranger medic. That would be fun and give you all kinds of transferable experience or become flight medic. Active duty will give you more opportunities to go to schools and to travel. The Reserves generally has less money.

Or, go be a Combat Engineer. Learn how to build things and how to blow things up. Or a Seabee. Those guys get all kinds of experience building things.

Take everyone's advice and join Active Duty. You will not regret that decision if you make the best of it.

Oh yeah, you can get your EMT-B and then work in an emergency room to gain experience. Then from there you can apply for better jobs. You don't have to join just to get work experience. In my opinion that is a poor reason. If your heart is not in it, you will suck at your job which will effect everyone around you. I hate working with people that joined just for a pay check or to pay for college. Most of them don't take pride in their work and look for shortcuts. Don't be that guy.
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All very good points. Don't be that guy! If you're in the military for 4+ years you will have usable experience and leadership.

LEO and intel are definitely intertwined and if you work the right jobs it definitely sets you up for LEO related to intel. It all depends on what you do.

Being a Navy IS you could do anything from OPINTEL on a Carrier to interrogations in Afghanistan.
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If you are looking to pursue a career in any LE field, I highly recommend an Intel Spot with the Guard, either army or Air force. Now I can't speak for Snoopy47 or Gawernator but my experiences have led me to a job as a Sheriff which I don't think I would have gotten as easily without.
I hope so. I had to walk away from two LEO interviews because I got deployment orders. Once I get back I'll have that behind me and can try again.
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its the asvab not the SATs or ACTs. Its not geared for people to fail and when they do its is pretty much why they get crappy jobs. If you didn't finish high school that is when you should stress about the asvab but for anyone that paid any amount of attention in school you should get at least an 85 or above. I was pissed when I got a 93 overall and not a higher score since it was so easy and I did something similar to what you are doing age wise.
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Why are you going army? Have you thought about what each service can offer you? Decide what you want to do.....have a list. If one service won't give it to you, go to another. But please don't be closed-minded on the branch.

As for the asvab, nothing study can do today will help you do better tomorrow. Just chill tonight. Don't drink tonight, get a solid nights rest, eat a good meal in the AM and be hydrated.

My advice is whatever job you take, make sure their is a field for it on the civilian side. Very few jobs for string yankers or trigger pullers after military life. If your gonna do the time, make it worth while for your future.
Agreed. I did ok on the practice tests and when I took the real thing I got a 99 (maxed it out). Not that it did me any good, I got a decent MOS (35G) but got sent to a ****ty unit that didn't use any of the useful stuff from AIT and so I have no real life experience whatsoever in the field I wanted to go into

If I had to go in again, Id do something medical too. Good luck with 68W!
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35L is for current service E5 or E4 promotable. You'll have to move into there from another 35 serices MOS.

35M and 35L are over strength, the promotion points are astronomical.

I'd go 35G (imagery) or 35F (all source). 35S (signals/evesdroppingNSA type stuff) is good too.
35G is garbage. The whole "anything in the intel world means automatic and easy promotions" thing doesnt apply to 35Gs. They are way overstrength (we merged with 35H a few years ago and all the hotels got promoted before the move so we have had promotion points at 798 almost non-stop for 3 years.

35F is the MOS to get if you want easy promotions (they were at 39 points for E5 for like 4 years) and lots of opportunities in the real world after you ETS.
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Hell I think ncti still offers a 1 week EMT course. I think 68W is a bad idea. Not only is a combat medic and civilian medic two totally different worlds, as others have said you'd probably have trouble getting a lot of credit for it on the outside world.

Retarded 11B grunts come out with skills higher than most paramedics. You may know how to do it perfect, but it doesn't mean they will let you in civi world.
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Get into OCS then go politics -

The unions here in Kalifornistan pay REALLY well...
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Haha yeah apply for an officer program first. 35Q? or CTN? If you are into computers. Be a "hacker".

Geoint, maybe you should go green to blue and be a Navy Imagery IS (3910) they love it..
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So it looks like I will be going in as a 68c. This is the "new" entry level mos equivalent to M6.
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So it looks like I did not get the 68c job. Talking to the army they don't have many jobs open to the reserve and the active.

Think I'm going to check with the AF and navy and see hat they offer me. I got in trouble when I was younger when I was 15 and had to do probation and was told I could not get any jobs with TS clearance so I'm guessing all intel jobs. Also was told I did not qualify for medical jobs right away.
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I was never convicted and all charges dropped so I don't see why that would dq me from jobs, especially since it was non violent and I was never convicted.

Best thing tha was offered to me was 25b....
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Man that's rough. Probably just because they are trying to downsize not take more. Wait for things to go bad again. When I was joining we had gang bangers with past felony charges doing last minute piss tests to see if they could get shipped out. They were excepting GEDs then, apparently now they don't.

Bad timing. That shouldn't have effected it that much, especially if you were a minor....

But welcome to life. I was falsely accused of a crime and it has severely screwed me out of several jobs (even volunteer) even though I was innocent, not convicted, and had witnesses to prove it. Apparently an arrest from a false accusation is enough in this world to bone you.
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If you were on probation, then you were convicted... it may have been expunged later, but the government sees all and don't care about expungement. That being said, I personally work with a guy who had a felony arrest/misdemeanor conviction in 2004... got his Secret clearance around the same time as me in 2012, and was upgraded to TS/SCI earlier this year.
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I was never convicted as a minor I was given the option to serve some community service and be on probation for a couple months and after completion all charges were dropped. I have probation letters from the court saying I was never convicted. Going to try and see if the recruiter can call someone and see if he can do anything.
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It's going to be a rough time to join the military right now unless you're very gifted or intelligent in some high demand field man. If you had a really good Navy recruiter, he would have told you to not talk about any of those past events lmao...

If you have no conviction I don't see the issue. During the surge in Afghanistan the army was taking in people off the street 38 minimum ASVAB prison convicts lol
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This is just the army that I have talked to I think I'm going to branch off and talk to AF and navy.

I took everyone's advice and talked to them about going active and they said I pretty much had the same opportunity as the reserves there were the same openings but I could also go infantry or cav scouts.... They say this my charges I can't get any secret squirrel jobs right out the gate but I can always "switch" later. I wanted to do 37f and do sweet ****

Any other jobs that I should look at in other branches? Feel like if the army will limit me the AF will really limit me since a lot of there stuff is intel and technology.

How are 25b networking guys in the army? That was the best thing that was offered that would translate Into the real world.
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They say this my charges I can't get any secret squirrel jobs right out the gate but I can always "switch" later.
This is the part where you don't trust your recruiter.
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