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Old 06-21-2014, 9:36 AM
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reading all these posts in here jeez la weez very picky fellas in here.
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what "rumors"?...
It's all just internet rumor..but..

During the banic it's been reported that china is importing 80% lowers to the US....since then people have been writing about background ties of a couple lower mfgs selling lowers so cheap since china started importing.

We have had china Uppers in the US for at least 5 years since I have seen them(thousands of boxes of finished upper receivers with china's name on them..seen them myself). Along with LPKs, free float handguards, etc. etc. There are even numerous billet mfgs purchasing chinese aluminum, thus why the price is so low...(chinese aluminum is at least 1/2 that of US origin material).

So it was only a matter of time that they started playing the 80% game.

It's coincidentally when 80% lowers have been in the market with normal features missing... pivot detent weep hole missing....bolt catch pin hole missing...bolt catch detent/spring hole missing. Completely missing features that all traditional 80% have had since the beginning that mean nothing to the BATFE for classification of a firearm or not a firearm.

It's allegedly well documented on some private forums that there is overseas ownership to some of these companies(which is probably moreso people that are just starting stuff because they have some issue with a company)....but it's like this...

Everyone hates Walmart....but someone shops there otherwise they wouldn't be as big as they are. The Buy American or US Made logo only goes as far as the sticker price.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:09 AM
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^^^ are the Chinese lowers using the keyhole symbol?
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:14 AM
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It's all just internet rumor..but..

During the banic it's been reported that china is importing 80% lowers to the US....since then people have been writing about background ties of a couple lower mfgs selling lowers so cheap since china started importing.

We have had china Uppers in the US for at least 5 years since I have seen them(thousands of boxes of finished upper receivers with china's name on them..seen them myself). Along with LPKs, free float handguards, etc. etc. There are even numerous billet mfgs purchasing chinese aluminum, thus why the price is so low...(chinese aluminum is at least 1/2 that of US origin material).

So it was only a matter of time that they started playing the 80% game.

It's coincidentally when 80% lowers have been in the market with normal features missing... pivot detent weep hole missing....bolt catch pin hole missing...bolt catch detent/spring hole missing. Completely missing features that all traditional 80% have had since the beginning that mean nothing to the BATFE for classification of a firearm or not a firearm.

It's allegedly well documented on some private forums that there is overseas ownership to some of these companies(which is probably moreso people that are just starting stuff because they have some issue with a company)....but it's like this...

Everyone hates Walmart....but someone shops there otherwise they wouldn't be as big as they are. The Buy American or US Made logo only goes as far as the sticker price.
so I suppose if they charge you double the price you'd feel better then?
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:23 AM
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^^^ are the Chinese lowers using the keyhole symbol?
I can say with 100% certainty that the Anderson Lowers are made in the USA. They use Cerro Forgings and run them at their facility. I was lucky enough to get a tour about 2 weeks ago when I was in Cincinnati on business.

For all you geographically challenged they are only a few minuets outside of there even though they are in Kentucky.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:38 AM
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I can say with 100% certainty that the Anderson Lowers are made in the USA. They use Cerro Forgings and run them at their facility. I was lucky enough to get a tour about 2 weeks ago when I was in Cincinnati on business.

For all you geographically challenged they are only a few minuets outside of there even though they are in Kentucky.
yes, these have the keyhole (Cerro)... that's why I was asking him if the Chinese use the keyhole?... If not, then these aren't the rumored ones... if so, I suppose they could be using Chinese...
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I have not said they are that I know for a fact, but stated it was rumor.

I have seen the Cerro forge mark also and figured it was suspect of the rumors. I suppose the "internet" may lump things together when there are so many reports of missing features which might be a quality issue.

@Rangemaster556...

It's great news that someone has actually been to their facility though to disprove things.

As a disclaimer with Anderson mfg themselves...

I can remember when they started early on asking for feedback when they started making product via forums. Personally always thought that as rumors started flying around...if they were importing...why would they be asking for feedback on their development?
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Old 06-22-2014, 9:06 AM
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those 1/2" dremel sanding drum works great opening up the rear pivot pocket. opened the pocket up about 1mm and fits like a glove now.
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:48 AM
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Here is another jig I found online for only $70 + FREE SHIPPING! Looks better than the eBay one which I am returning. The non-anodized is in stock, the anodized is 10-12 week back order. http://www.nwprecision.org/products/10118.html
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:20 PM
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I got mine in the mail today, and they look great!
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Got mine as well. Thanks OP!

Anyone in San Diego with a jig help a brother out with these? I'll bring a 6 pack of your favorite brew!
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Old 06-23-2014, 5:58 PM
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Got mine as well. Thanks OP!

Anyone in San Diego with a jig help a brother out with these? I'll bring a 6 pack of your favorite brew!
no amount of brew is worth jail time
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Old 06-23-2014, 6:11 PM
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=948861
maybe he meant "help a brother out" by letting him bowing a jig...
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Old 06-23-2014, 6:19 PM
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maybe he meant "help a brother out" by letting him bowing a jig...
I certainly hope so for everyone's sake. But based on the wording chosen in the question, I would believe otherwise.
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Old 06-23-2014, 6:27 PM
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Are you allowed to borrow jigs? I thought all tools had to be your own and had to be done on land you own/rent?
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Are you allowed to borrow jigs? I thought all tools had to be your own and had to be done on land you own/rent?
I'm pretty sure people are sharing jigs... there's a thread somewhere with a guy renting 'em (might have been posted in this thread).

I don't see how or why borrowing or renting a jig would mean you didn't create the lower yourself.

ETA: I'm also pretty sure people have used drill press and mills from their shop (where they work)... but yes, I've read posts about the "your property" thing... however, I don't think I've ever read anything official... doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.

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It is better to not get yourself into any possibilities of issues with the ATF or CADOJ. You may be proven innocent by trial, but think of the problems you'd be facing during and pre-trial.
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Does the Jig from Northwest include a hole for the bolt catch spring?
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Old 06-23-2014, 7:30 PM
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It is better to not get yourself into any possibilities of issues with the ATF or CADOJ. You may be proven innocent by trial, but think of the problems you'd be facing during and pre-trial.
So in your opinion it would be better to own everything yourself just so there are no possibilities of problems later on.
The mill/drill and the jig. Maybe a vise too.

You can't rent any of it from a place like Ace hardware or Home Depot and take it home and do it there?

Maybe i should move these questions over to a different category.
or if someone has a thread with all this answered...

Thanx!
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Yep, my apologies. The offer was meant for a tool lending, much akin to some very generous brothers here who will lend out their sight install tools, etc.

Rookie mistake
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Does the Jig from Northwest include a hole for the bolt catch spring?
doesnt look like it. have one on order, will let you know. by the way, 10% coupon code 2a10 takes the jig down to $63 shipped!
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doesnt look like it. have one on order, will let you know. by the way, 10% coupon code 2a10 takes the jig down to $63 shipped!
It would be better to get a jig that has steel bushings for your fcg pins. This one does not, you'd probably be ordering replacement plates soon.
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Does anyone here know of a place that does good engraving work that i can send my 80% to?
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yeah, i'll have to be real careful drilling the trigger/hammer holes.

matt: check the marketplace commerical service section. Prices are pretty reasonable. I might go the etching route by vader.
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Has anybody found a jig that works with these lowers which has the drill bushings?
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Has anybody found a jig that works with these lowers which has the drill bushings?

Vytamenc C Tactical jig is the one that I use on all my Anderson 80% lowers.


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anderson 80% lowers are back in stock and free shipping $100+
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For anyone interested I will be stopping by arsunlimited on Friday to see if this lower will fit. I live in SD so will be really easy. Will let you guys know how it fits.
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anderson 80% lowers are back in stock and free shipping $100+
the coupon code is expired though
$63.24 shipped is what i see.
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free shipping is on orders $100&up, expires 6-26. It's automatically applied.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER



i wonder if this rotary tool station would work as a mill?
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order a barrel from them for 110 dollars and you get free shipping or order two LPKS.
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the only thing that works as a mill, is a mill

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Agree!!!! I tried for many years to use a dremel and drill presses. I was amazed how much easier and nicer it goes together using a mill.


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I went to arsunlimited to try their jig. It works with all mil spec lowers which these are. I have not completed my lower yet but I think it should be pretty easy. The jig is made of 6061 aluminum so be careful when drilling. My plan for the bolt catch plunger hole is to find its placement in relation to the jig and drill the hole in that and then use it as a guide to drill the lowers.
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got my jig today. not bad for $63 shipped!




*top bolts are flushed when tightened down.
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Wow. Thanks for posting the pix. Nice looking jig.

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How will you drill the bolt catch plunger hole?

*edit*Where did you get it for $63 shipped?
http://www.slickguns.com/product/nwcp-ar-15-80-jig-70

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will have to drill that hole yourself. might be a long shot, but you could ask NVCP if they could drill the plunger hole into the jig for you.

2a10 for %10 off but looks like you need $150 total for free shipping now. you could always find a person to split the order with since 2 anodized jigs come out to $150. $135 for 2( after 10% off and free ship).

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