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What's up w/Marin Co Sheriff Robert Doyle and Peruta???
Marin County Sheriff Robert T. Doyle
Ck out 2/27 ("Brief of Amici Curiae ... Marin County Sheriff Robert Doyle In Support of Attorney General’s Motion for Intervention"), and 3/5 ("Motion of Amici Curiae ... Marin County Sheriff Robert Doyle for Leave to File Amicus Brief") at: http://michellawyers.com/guncasetrac...rutavsandiego/ Does Marin Co SO really have so much extra time, money, and manpower (because there's too little crime and poverty in Marin) that they want to butt into Peruta? Should our side add Marin Co SO and Sheriff Doyle to the ever shrinking list of "last holdout" counties that require legal "special attention"?
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Sheriff Doyle has many times, in public, on the record and on the golf course, declared that he will not issue CCWs.
FWIW, it's my understanding that he has returned campaign contributions once it was discovered that the donor expected a CCW in return. The man is a principled, honest and completely dedicated anti-2A senior law enforcement official of an incredibly wealthy, incredibly liberal, incredibly anti-gun enclave of the Left Coast. He'll be re-elected as long as he decides to run for office. Don't be surprised if the Marin County Board of Supervisors is providing him some assistance on some level - there's not a person holding elected office that supports CCW in this county. Peruta, if it stands, will make their heads explode. They will be a final, if not the final, holdout. Here's hoping it stands! |
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Next you'll say Bloomberg will reimburse the county and Law Center any cost....
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God forbid the few law-abiding citizens of Marin City get to defend themselves.
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Never said they weren't. I fully agree.
Tupac Shakur's disses at the end of a song from his song "I Don't Give a ****" features a diss, saying "**** you to the Marin County Sheriff's Department". Considering Robert Doyle was the undersheriff at that time, it was likely he was talking about Doyle's troops and his style of policing. |
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Marin doesn't have the population, or the population density, of the counties you note. Outside of the relatively population density of the 101 corridor, there isn't much except sheep and cows....and an incredible amount of Open Space/Parks/Land Trusts...
The vast majority of the folks living here are really rich [southern Marin] liberals or dependent on the government [Marin City, San Rafael Canal area]. I heard that 40% of the population in Marin doesn't work. Trust-fund babies, folks on the dole...it boggles the mind. Sean Penn lives here. 'Nuff said. |
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We're happy to have them make compelled contributions to the Foundation. We find that cooler heads in County Counsel's office prevail when kicking them in court is a foregone conclusion.
-Gene
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In light of his participation in the LCAV brief, it seems clear that Sheriff Doyle won’t move without having Peruta finalized. We may never know if this is a political calculation or if he’s a true believer.
As it stands, the sheriff’s website has no published policy. Searching elsewhere turned up this gem from 1999. http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw...npolicies.html If you look at http://www.marinsheriff.org/, you are instructed to email your completed application. Since I don’t believe that the sheriff will issue before Peruta is finalized, I’m waiting for that. Then I intend to apply. I expect him to play games with at least GMC if not other things. I’d be curious to know if any Calgunner had applied or at least called? Also, the Marin thread is locked… http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=352764
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I think there is a whole lotta Calguns members here who don't quite understand Marin County and its history.
Having Doyles name in this is not even surprising to me. Marin is the one county that really houses the fruits and nuts for San Francisco. Its also home to out beloved Senator Barbara Boxer and MANY anti gun activists. Almost everyone in Marin has an agenda or is an activist to save the world. |
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LOL - and I look forward to you making them cough up their carefully-hoarded $$.
It's good to know how much you've done for us. If/when I get in a position to make donations, you will be at the top of my list. Thanks again! |
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Thanks, I thought as much.
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Sonoma and Marin county sheriffs must talk because Freitas (SoCo) is also holding out until Peruta is finalized, including putting erroneous information on the website to discourage applicants.
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Perhaps Marin needs to embrace it's rural side? |
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Being a long-term Marinite with some experience in the ways of the "real world" I feel safe in saying that Marin's farmers and rural residents [Bolinas? Inverness? Marshall?] aren't the country folk one might find in Pennsylvania, Illinois, Colorado or Texas. I'm not sure if they're any more conservative or pro-2A than their citified cousins.
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There really arent very many true farmers/rural people in Marin. There a a handful, but most of the people living outside of the cities are no different than those living in the city except they want to have a little land around them AKA privacy.
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I don't think Marin is nearly as anti-gun as people think. When I strike up conversations with folks I'm much more likely to get a positive response than negative. That said, the folks who are favorably disposed to gun rights don't have it anywhere near the top of their issue stack so it's not going to sway their vote against a candidate they otherwise support.
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Doyle may also be thinking of a career at some point outside of being a Sheriff, but at this point I will concur with others in that though there are many in Marin whom are 2A congruent, but Marin will need to be shown the way via legal precedence above them. They will need to be forced to see the light. I can go on and on about Marin and culture, but it is just yappin in the breeze anyway...
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But it's all cool for Sean Penn to be issued a CCW? I guess it's because he is so responsible.........oh wait, he lost his Glock (which Penn misspelled as "Glok" in his application) when he left in the car in Berkely. But I guess it's all cool again as it seems he's packing a Glock in Haiti.....oh wait, I guess he melted it down for charity or something like that.
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I live in Marin, and most the people I know, either hunt, fish, or do both. We are all watching with extreme interest.
On the off note, I believe Sean Penn got his CCW from the chief of police in Ross, before all of the CCW's were referred to th MCSO.
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yeah, either ross or Kent Chief of police - after a nice contribution of course.
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The Chronicle story on Sean Penn's permit:
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier...it-2651756.php It was Ross PD - IIRC Kentfield is covered by MCSO (substation on Drake at College Avenue). |
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I have personal knowledge regarding Sheriff Doyle and CCW issuance. Based on that information, I can say with confidence that he will not generally issue CCWs until forced to do so. I think that if Peruta is upheld in appeal, he will comply without a suit if County Counsel advises him that further resistance is futile. He will comply with the law when there is no further possibility of appeal. From long association with him, the description of him in the quote below is right on target:
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Oh that guy Sheriff Doyle is about as anti gun maximum level as maximum level can get and not get runoff.
But... good news. Looks like Gene has keys to the spillway. Good luck to you... When you get your LTC, it will change how you see yourself, it will change how you see the world... in a good way.
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I have had two sit downs a with Undersheriff Ridgeway in Marin County regarding my concealed carry application that I put in the day after the original court decision.
His secretary, Stacy, informed me that the depatment was going to proceed with their original "good cause" policy before I went in for my first meeting. When I sat with Ridgeway the first time, he mentioned they were abiding by the new law. I was missing DMV records for my application, and when I finally obtained them and sat down with Ridgeway a second time, (Wednesday the 9th of April) he said they are back to their original policy and that my application would be declined.. He did say that there was a stay on the new law because it is going to appeal again, but from what I can tell that is not true, and Doyle is just proceeding under the assumption that the law will be overturned..... Last edited by TyColt; 04-11-2014 at 5:20 PM.. |
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I love it. Agency can ignore laws that it feels it should be able to overturn on appeal, but we had to obey SF's ban on legally acquired magazines while it is challenged.
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IIRC, Gene has had a San Mateo SO CCW for a few years now....
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