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Old 03-10-2014, 4:17 PM
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The Orange tree in my backyard died on me last year and I am just getting around to replacing it.


I was at Lowes earlier looking for a tree and noticed a grafted citrus tee- It already had some fruit on it - I think it was about 5-6 varieties.

I think this might be better for us as one fruit tree produces way too much for us and having different types would help us use it more.

We have a grapefruit tree that produces massive amounts and neither my wife or I like grapefruit.

One thing about a new tree, I want to keep it short, easily accessible fruit and easier to maintain.

The current tree is in a planter next to the garage surrounded by concrete. I don't think it gets much runoff from other sources like the grapefruit.

What should I know about grafted trees? The one at lowes was about $150 and was about 4ft tall.

Any place in the East LA area to get one cheaper?

thanks for any input - this is part of my survival plan
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Old 03-10-2014, 8:44 PM
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Old 03-10-2014, 11:33 PM
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We have grafted apples, the only thing it helps with us is they ripen at different times. We have a big orchard.
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You could also just get several dwarf/semi-dwarf trees for about $20 each. They will stay short. If you want less fruit you can thin some of them off when they are small.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:07 AM
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Why would you want dwarf trees ?. We have really tall trees and a pick pole and orchard ladder to pick the fruit. Biggest problem is keeping the birds away. Netting is a pain.
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Old 03-11-2014, 12:17 PM
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Dwarf trees?
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Netting is a pain.
Thats a good start. After much reading months ago, damn near any tree can be kept small through pruning, I don't have room for full trees so a 6-8' will produce more than plenty for me and I suspect in a few years I won't want to be screwing around on a ladder - I have a pole picker and pole chainsaw.

Planted late in the summer; Flameless grape is coming out of dormancy with a passion, fuerte avocado looked like hell for the longest (they don't like beach salt air), Anna apple could take on a division of Panzers, lemon and lime are shaking off bugs.

I nuked my soil preps and now they are starting to pay off.

Good luck!
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If I were you, I'd find a friend or neighbor who has an orange tree, lemon tree, tangerine, whatever other citrus you like,.... and ask if you can have some scions.
These you can graft onto your grapefruit tree. It might be too late in the year for where you live - maybe plan to do this next January (for example), just when the buds begin to swell.

Check with any local garden club or smaller nursery & maybe someone there will help you/graft for you/walk you through this.

I'd just suggest grafting it yourself since you already have a grapefruit tree that you don't really like. No sense buying $150 tree when you already have a mature root system.

I've never grafted citrus. Only plum, cherry, pear. Apples in the next few days! Very much a feeling of accomplishment when the graft works.
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The trees from the home center aren't very good. Go to a real nursery. They often guarantee the tree will grow, and if it dies, they replace it.

Also, while mixed variety trees are a novelty, they will not produce high quality fruit of each kind. typically the root stock best supports a specific variety, and the the other varieties suffer.

Pretty much all fruit trees, including citrus, are technically grafted. There is a root stock that is a separate from the scion. The root stock is chosen usually to determine the size of the tree. You can keep standard trees small by pruning but the root system is going to be massive. It can be a good thing since the tree can send tap roots down into the water table though.

Might want to pick up a book on the subject. This one is fantastic and done by a local guy. And you can download it.
http://www.kuffelcreek.com/growingapples.htm It deals with citrus a bit as well, but a lot of the principles are the same.
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thanks for the info - still researching.

A few things - I do need to replace the tree - I am a renter, so to be fair to my landlord it should be there when I leave.

I plan on pruning to keep short - I don't do ladders and I think if gets too tall it will make it easier for rodents to get on it from garage.

I might be able to do another tree in different location, especially if fruit is not as good on grafted trees.

Right now I am looking at citrus for the replacement - but would like some others.
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if you are urban and plan on bugging in a smaller tree or one pruned so it is not visible from the streets would probably be more advantages. You don't want everybody picking on it or have to risk shooting someone over a fruit. I'd rather they be small and lay low.
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Google "monrovia nursery" they have a selection of mix graft trees. And some information.

My understanding is citris does well this way, but they have mixed fruit ones too.

They are a wholesaler though- you need a nursery to order one for you.

I've been curious about them.

As to dwarf or fullsize.... doesnt matter. After it gets as tall as you want it, top it- Cut off the entire top- and keep it pruned to size you want.

I've seen a house with 2 orange trees growing between the driveway and side of the house (detached garage in back yard) The dirt between the house and drive was only about 2ft wide. He had 2 orange trees trimmed to a hedge in that 2 ft space.... Not a lot of fruit on them though, since most fruit is near the tips of branches.
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I just came back from Lowes. they have fruit trees called Fruit Cocktail. only about 2 feet tall but I think they were $17.98.
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awesome thanks

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Google "monrovia nursery" they have a selection of mix graft trees. And some information.

My understanding is citris does well this way, but they have mixed fruit ones too.

They are a wholesaler though- you need a nursery to order one for you.

I've been curious about them.

As to dwarf or fullsize.... doesnt matter. After it gets as tall as you want it, top it- Cut off the entire top- and keep it pruned to size you want.

I've seen a house with 2 orange trees growing between the driveway and side of the house (detached garage in back yard) The dirt between the house and drive was only about 2ft wide. He had 2 orange trees trimmed to a hedge in that 2 ft space.... Not a lot of fruit on them though, since most fruit is near the tips of branches.
I saw smaller trees, at the one I was at, but none were the fruit cocktail. I will check again if Monrovia nursery doesn't work out.

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I just came back from Lowes. they have fruit trees called Fruit Cocktail. only about 2 feet tall but I think they were $17.98.
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Dwarf = small/ bush size

Semi-dwarf = 2/3 of a standard tree

Standard = full size


Trees I've planted this week:

4 apples
3 cherries
3 pomogranits
2 oranges
1 necterene
1 plum
1 pear
1 grapefruit
1 lime
1 lemon

And I still need to get my 3 avocados in the dirt........
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I just came back from Lowes. they have fruit trees called Fruit Cocktail. only about 2 feet tall but I think they were $17.98.
Yes, this is the one I saw 2 years ago. I wasn't ready to plant then, but couldn't find them last year.

My mother got a fruit salad tree and recently planted it, but I want a Orange, lime, lemon, +variant.

My problem is that I have a prospective job opportunity that would allow me to get out of debt quicker, and allow for a transfer to a free state, and don't want too many upgrades that I will be unable to use, but renters would...

This reminds me the next time I am at Lowe's to look for a pomegranate tree, the one I planted last year didn't make it.
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A few things - I do need to replace the tree - I am a renter, so to be fair to my landlord it should be there when I leave.

I plan on pruning to keep short - I don't do ladders and I think if gets too tall it will make it easier for rodents to get on it from garage.

I might be able to do another tree in different location, especially if fruit is not as good on grafted trees.

Right now I am looking at citrus for the replacement - but would like some others.
Those are some serious constrictions.

Planning on moving soon? Have to take the tree with you? Get a cut on rent planting a new tree, fruit bearing at that?
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