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Old 02-19-2014, 5:22 PM
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Let's say you had two similar vehicles, for example a Toyota Tacoma, but one is 4wd with stock street tires and the 2wd has a good aggressive off-road tire. Which one do you guys think would do better off road?
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The one with the better driver.
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Define "off-road"?

High speed desert running?
Low speed rock crawling?
Mud?
etc?

In general, the 4WD will ALWAYS do better then the 2WD and it is VERY simple to upgrade the tires on it.

I have watched several drivers come away greatly disappointed (and with damaged vehicles) because they thought since their TRD Prerunner "looked" like a 4WD that it would do anything a real 4WD could.

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4wd

Even with stock tires & open diff's, the 4wd will easly go where the 2wd cannot.
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The one with the better driver.
That is a good point. If one does not know how to "wheel", a good driver in a 2wd with a locker can go where the 4wd won't.
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The one with the better driver.
Beat me to it!

Depends on how you define "off-road". Driving to a good shooting spot that hard to get to, mountain roads in the snow, mud, big rocks: 4wd. Going fast in the desert, hard pack dirt, washes, roads, whoops, etc: 2wd
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Tires are a non issues, can easily be changed. I am going to assume general purpose off-road usage here, nothing specialized... I would never buy a truck or SUV without 4WD... at least for what I do off road.

Buying 2WD isn't even an option.

But I agree with the others, application does play a role, for example pre-runner style setups.
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Go up hill on a loose dirt road and youll know which is best.
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It definitely depends on what kind of "offroad" you would be doing. For the most part 4x4 will get you more places in a calm manner where the 2x4 will require more momentum, power, weight, traction, ect. a well equipped 2x4 will get you pretty far if you know how to manipulate the vehicle but will require more aggressive driving
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It definitely depends on what kind of "offroad" you would be doing. For the most part 4x4 will get you more places in a calm manner where the 2x4 will require more momentum, power, weight, traction, ect. a well equipped 2x4 will get you pretty far if you know how to manipulate the vehicle but will require more aggressive driving
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I take my 2 wheel drive more places then most 4 wheel drives would even attempt. /Thread


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Let's say you had two similar vehicles, for example a Toyota Tacoma, but one is 4wd with stock street tires and the 2wd has a good aggressive off-road tire. Which one do you guys think would do better off road?
I have to agree with others here. Define off road.


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Don't forget that just because you have a 4x4, it doesn't mean you won't get into trouble wheeling. It might just get you stuck farther in the trail than a 4x2 if you don't know what you're doing.

Tread lightly and be safe.
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The one with the better driver.
THIS!! All day!!


It doesn't matter how capable the vehicle is if the driver isn't capable.
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The one with the better driver.
Op asked if YOU had those vehicles. Which would do better.


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THIS!! All day!!


It doesn't matter how capable the vehicle is if the driver isn't capable.
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I would be mad they put the off road tires on the 2wd truck. Seriously, 4wd.
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I'll agree with the others that stated... "The one with the better driver". Yet I will also add a disclosure to the previous. If the driver is a novice or mediocre driver, they would be better off in the 4X4. The reason I say this is that it, in some ways, decreases the likely hood of a novice or mediocre driver getting stuck.
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A 4x4 will have a low gear range option in the transfer case.

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I have some experience in this: 2WD w/ off road tires sucks in sand or very loose soil. The rear wheels (the drive wheels) have the aggressive tread - but no weight over them to give you traction. The front wheels (non drive wheels) have the same aggressive tread and weight over them to provide traction, but no drive. This encourages the rear wheels to spin - and once they start spinning your usually screwed (in soft sand). It is a bad *** for jumping over curbs though. If you have to get a 2WD and plan on going in soft sand your better off with the stock tires than "Off Road' tires.
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Bingo.

That written, nothing beats a locked jeep.
Except for a geared & locked Landcruiser

















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Don't know if this answers your question but I have a 99 Jeep TJ, lockers, 35 mud terrains, 4:1 xfer case, etc. Inevitably I will run trails in 2wd but it never fails at some point I'll have to throw it in 4L. However, on the sand 2wd suffices. Guess they are right terrain makes the difference. I'd go with 4we given the option every time though.

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Don't forget that just because you have a 4x4, it doesn't mean you won't get into trouble wheeling. It might just get you stuck farther in the trail than a 4x2 if you don't know what you're doing.

Tread lightly and be safe.
Happened last year with a couple in a jeep up in the Sierra. The guy died and she barely made it out alive thanks to her brother searching for her in a tractor
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4x4, my samurai can go just about anywhere.
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better driver my butt, same better driver takes the 4 wheel drive places a 2 by will never see. I wouldn't own a 2 wheel drive pickup where I live. Put trailers behind both and the 2 wheeler gets stuck in its own tracks, Try launching a boat in the mud with a 2 wheeler.
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Don't forget that just because you have a 4x4, it doesn't mean you won't get into trouble wheeling. It might just get you stuck farther in the trail than a 4x2 if you don't know what you're doing.

Tread lightly and be safe.
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Happened last year with a couple in a jeep up in the Sierra. The guy died and she barely made it out alive thanks to her brother searching for her in a tractor
I remember that...

Had they had some "basic training" on how to be prepared for emergencies, things may have turned out differently
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2wd trucks get stuck in Mojave all the time I (06 dodge ram 2500 w/4wd) pull them out. Yes I get stuck too but 4lo and I'm out most of the time.
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Hands down 4wd
Once you Go 4wd
You never go back
Unless you get tired of extra expense
Or you stop going into the country ( you turn old and worn out)
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4wd all the time. Not only is it more useful, but the parts are heavier duty. I've owned about 20 trucks. 4 started as 2wd and became 4x4 because all 2wd **** is so small and weak. Buy once, when you need it you will be thankful you have it.
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4x4 without a doubt. Where I live it doesn't matter what kind of tires you have 2wd won't get you anywhere but stuck when it snows 3 feet over night.
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for general purpose... with all factors being the same (driver, tires, terrain, etc.)

4X4

Will cost more initially and also down the road.

Sure you MAY be able to get by on 2x4 in different places (beaches, snow, desert, etc) but when it comes to 4x4, it's always better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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The first time you get stopped on 80 and told to put chains on then you will know the value of 4x4
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What most don't know is this:

2x2 = 1 wheel drive
4x4= 2 wheel drive

Unless the truck has lockers or limited slip then its a 3 wheel drive as the limited slip is in the rear not front on most trucks. You would need a locker in front and limited slip or locker in rear to have a real 4x4.
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4x4 just means you can get stuck in worse places
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Op asked if YOU had those vehicles. Which would do better.
Ahhh ... conditionals in theoreticals.

I have a 4x4 but seldom use it. That's because I have aggressive offroad tires, plus I know how to drive off road.

If you know what you're doing, you can get to most places with either vehicle. The 4x4, tires, lift, winch, lockers, all that stuff is for "just in case" situations. But all that equipment mentioned, the only thing that gets you out of situations is the winch. Everything else gets you INTO situations.

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