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View Poll Results: Bullet Casting - I'm Thinking Of Giving It A Try
Too Much Of A Hassle - Not Worth The Savings 4 7.69%
Enjoyable And Relaxing 21 40.38%
Nice Not To Be Dependent On Availability Anymore 25 48.08%
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Playing around with the idea. Not sure of the overall startup costs, but if the absolute cheapest way is a 1 and the best stuff is a 10, I'm probably in the 8 range.
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There are some barrels that just want a bit tighter round, and so you can cast big for those. Or maybe you have a .357 carbine and you want big heavy bullets for some sort of silhouette match. Or maybe you shoot cowboy action and your range requires lead so you don't get jacket riccos.
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its nice to be able to customize your alloys for your applications as well. I run really soft boolits for my subsonics. Plus I get my lead for free now, so it makes for great plinking ammo!
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Jump in. Casting is a hoot. Lots of good info out there.


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Its hard to beat from an accuracy stand point, some rifles like a slightly oversize bullet and if you cast its easy to do. I also don't have to worry about getting bullets for my weapons I make them.
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The only problem I have is lead is harder to find that it was 20 years ago.
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Something else to learn in reloading.
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It isn't that expensive if you start with a Lee TL mold. That is a tumble lube bullet. You don't need a lube/sizer to use them. You need to head on over to Cast Boolits and start reading. Cast Boolits is also a good place to find lead on the cheap.
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It's my next step. I've already collected a few hunnert pounds of lead, solder & WW. Just need to find a round tuit.

I started when they were talking about bullet taxes for "public safety." You know it's only a matter of time. Reloaders are now on fineswine's & yee's radars...
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i started a couple years ago with minimal investment

my advice don't invest too much money into it you dont need a fancy pot and lubrisizers

you can get by with the lee lube and sizer die and the lee molds

i made enough bullets in the first month to last me till now and beyond just using a cheap 2 cavity

luckily i ran into a source and made some pucks



what inspired me to cast when bear creek bullets hit $35 i thought heck i could make them for a nickel a piece

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Depending on where you live, there might be a member near you who casts and will let you try it and than advise on equipment.
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Depending on where you live, there might be a member near you who casts and will let you try it and than advise on equipment.
Actually, I'm in Northridge, but I wouldn't expect someone to invite over a complete stranger.
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I voted other because I went and bought all the equipment and a bunch of lead and molds, and have yet to cast a single boolit.


As for trying it out, try out the castboolits.gunloads forums.
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I voted for hassle but only because I live in an apartment. once I have a house and actual workspace, I will most likely be doing this. at this point I don't yet reload for pistol either, which also plays into it, but I know casting is well worthwhile, kudos to those of you who do, and expose yourself to that horrible horrible lead that sneaks around and kills children and unicorns while nobody is looking. I'm a plumber so I've worked with my share of lead, doesn't really worry me considering the millions of others things out there trying to kill me.
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You need a lot of free time to do it right. I have to be motivated to get out in the garage and start casting, but when those buckets start filling up with boolits, i have a hard time stopping.

It's one of those things where, when ya get in the groove and everything is running smooth, ya just don't want to put the mold down.

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I started as above with a coleman stove and a soup can to melt in with a lee mold and a long handles spoon
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Almost 4 lbs each. Stock it when you can!

I melt all my lead down in bulk from range scrap in a giant stainless steel soup pot on a Coleman stove

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Actually, I'm in Northridge, but I wouldn't expect someone to invite over a complete stranger.
Im also in Northridge so if there is a member in the area interested in showing us some of the ropes please count me in. Im interested in casting and then plating my own bullets.
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Im also in Northridge so if there is a member in the area interested in showing us some of the ropes please count me in. Im interested in casting and then plating my own bullets.
plating requires a copper source and a potassium solution :/
You might find powder coating a cheaper alternative!
however if you can get enough voltage for a dense copper plating more power to you!
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Playing around with the idea. Not sure of the overall startup costs, but if the absolute cheapest way is a 1 and the best stuff is a 10, I'm probably in the 8 range.
Start hogging lead...
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Do indoor ranges sell the lead they gather in the traps?
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like i said just try to do it on the cheap

that way you can sell your molds on ebay and probably not be out anything

if i quit now my only outlays in money are

the lee molds at $20 a piece

the lee sizers at $15 a piece

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do not melt your lead in aluminum

lead is heavy it stays heavy even when liquid

lead is hot

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What's wrong with using aluminum pot to melt lead?


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Melting in an aluminum pot is an accident waiting to happen.
I have a cast iron pot, but heavy stainless will work, as will an old propane tank cut in half.
You can melt on a Coleman stove.
An aluminum muffin pan makes a nice ingot mold
A stainless soup ladle from Smart & Final is good for filing muffin molds.
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other - intrigued by the idea & honestly think that it is something that I might like to do later down the line, but right I don't have the room, time nor do I think that my neighbors would look too kindly on it (the joys of apartments)
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Here's a tip! Go on a fishing website and look for your melting pot. It'll be cheaper!!! I got my lee 10 pound pot brand new for 29.99 shipped.
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It's a useful skill. At the USPSA matches I go to when bullets started getting hard to find suddenly everybody started asking me about casting. That being said I mostly cast for muzzleloaders (HUGE savings on the larger sized balls and some sizes are impossible to get). For cartridges I cast for three calibers but don't intend to cast for every caliber I reload. That being said I should probably pick up some Lee molds for the other handgun calibers - they're cheap and it would provide a backup plan if bullets get scarce again...
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plating requires a copper source and a potassium solution :/
You might find powder coating a cheaper alternative!
however if you can get enough voltage for a dense copper plating more power to you!
Plating is more about low voltage and very low amperage and time. The idea is that you also need to make sure you sacrificial anode is designed to keep the distance to copper source is equal and to prevent a high and low side on the bullet.

More even and more dense plating occurs at lower voltages and fractional amps (milliamps) over a longer time. It also is better bonded.

All of that being said, the Plated bullets will still strip off the copper at relatively low velocities.

PC is better for velocities over 1100FPS.
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I'm still learning reloading myself but I'd like to get into casting. Especially for the hard to find stuff, have friends with 35 remington and 375 h&hs. Damn things are expensive to shoot.
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Plating is more about low voltage and very low amperage and time. The idea is that you also need to make sure you sacrificial anode is designed to keep the distance to copper source is equal and to prevent a high and low side on the bullet.

More even and more dense plating occurs at lower voltages and fractional amps (milliamps) over a longer time. It also is better bonded.

All of that being said, the Plated bullets will still strip off the copper at relatively low velocities.

PC is better for velocities over 1100FPS.
Will PC allow velocities over 2Kfps?
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Will PC allow velocities over 2Kfps?
As long as your lead alloy is up to the task and your twist does not exceed the force that would rip the lead apart (yes fast twist rifling will cause the lead bullet, even with PC, to disintegrate in flight). Id also use gas-checks for base stability under the pressures being produced for those velocities.
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Not only do you save money per bullet, not only will your bores love it, but you get yet another dimension for tuning your load that you didn't have before. I quite enjoy the hobby.
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Not to mention, what ammo shortage?
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Melting in an aluminum pot is an accident waiting to happen.
Can you be more specific? Aluminium has melting point well above lead. I can't think of any scientific reason why this would be a problem. By the way, I'm not talking about thin aluminum pot, but rather the usual cooking bot that is almost 3/16" thick.
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Can you be more specific? Aluminium has melting point well above lead. I can't think of any scientific reason why this would be a problem. By the way, I'm not talking about thin aluminum pot, but rather the usual cooking bot that is almost 3/16" thick.
aluminum is more brittle than steel. yes it has a higher melting point but that doesn't mean it wont weaken. aluminum will collapse under the weight of the lead.

stainless steel with riveted handles, or cast iron. cast iron is more expensive though.

I use a SS pot that technically could easily hold 100lbs of lead, but it would probably collapse my grill at that point.
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