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Old 12-06-2013, 12:01 PM
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Because people are dying unintentionally. That isn't a good enough reason?



There is a difference between the BS written about not cleaning the gun while loaded crap, and a very dangerous issue that happens so frequently that Smith & Wesson themselves started an investigation to get to the bottom of. They went as far as firing the 500 while recording with a high speed camera. You don't think that rises to the level of a one line warning in the manual?

Here's the S&W high speed cam video they used in their investigation to determine it was unintentional bump firing



Yes people know it is a powerful handgun, but not everyone knows that makes to prone to unintentional bump firing far more than any other handgun on the market. Bump firing is not typically considered a double action revolver phenomena. Might be worth it for the manufacturer to mention that.
Something that powerful WILL bumpfire unless you want a 1-ton trigger.

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Something that powerful WILL bumpfire unless you want a 1-ton trigger.

Serious hand-gun is serious.
Yep, that's why I think S&W should maybe communicate that to the customer because not everyone knows that, especially large males who have no trouble dealing with the recoil and have never been a 105 LB female they hand the gun to. I don't know why some people are resistant to that idea. Better to keep the customer in the dark I suppose....
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RIP.

Knowing that it is a powerful pistol, they could have put one round only to the gun.

Broken nose or bruise in the face is better than lost of life.



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And this is why I told bigbearbear to teach his wife not to limp wrist instead of just giving her a bigger gun to "play with".

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The manufacturer can add all warnings in their manual but the idiots won't read it.

And I am referring to the idiot that handed her the gun.



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This double tap condition is awfully similar to a newbie on a dirtbike. Newbie releases clutch too fast, due tolack of experience their body falls back as the bike accelerates and consequently gives even more throttle.
Start with one bullet and learn to control. It makes sense.
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I own a S&W 500 6.5 and I will never let a small woman or teen shoot it until they prove they can handle the recoil and then only one round at a time. To me the felt recoil isn't as bad as some make it out to be. Just make sure you have a nice tight grip with both hands and locked wrists.
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It isn't the gun. It isn't the manufacturer.
It is, like someone else said, the idiot who gives the gun to some skinny little girl so they can laugh when the recoil brings the gun back and it whacks her in the head.
Well, this girl really gave them a show to laugh about.
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I never put more than one round in a gun being handle by someone who's never shot it before. This could have been avoided a number of ways, it's a shame
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Wow, so glad i saw this post! Next time i see someone with the rental 500 i am definitely watching them load rounds and moving if i see more than 1 get chambered.
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What a horrible accident! Condolences to the family and friends.

It does raise serious questions about the circumstances.
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It wasn't an accident. It was negligence and stupidity on the part of the person who gave her the revolver and stupidity on the part of the woman using the revolver.
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...my first motorcycle wasn't 1000cc, was yours?
No, my first motorcycle was 50cc, but I know a bunch of guys (no females oddly enough) that bought liter bikes as their first. Some are even still alive. Not all, but some. You would think friends and family would have been more interested in her well being than that, but you can't stop someone from doing something stupid.

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Personally I would like to have that warning in BOLD on the instructions to that firearm. It never crossed my mind that could happen. Call me stupid if you guys want but I'm being honest here. I'm not experienced with large caliber handguns and that is need to know info.
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As several said, the wise move is to load ALL firearms one round at a time for new shooters to ensure they don't lose control or freak out and fire a second shot in a bad direction.

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Personally I think the super heavy recoiling handguns like the S&W .500 and DE 50AE are examples of "just because you can build something doesn't mean you should".

I'm sorry that people have lost their lives shooting them and would never recommend one to a friend.
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Personally I would like to have that warning in BOLD on the instructions to that firearm. It never crossed my mind that could happen. Call me stupid if you guys want but I'm being honest here. I'm not experienced with large caliber handguns and that is need to know info.
So what would putting that in the manual(assuming it's not already there, I don't feel like looking), do to prevent someone from handing this firearm to an inexperienced shooter?

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So what would putting that in the manual(assuming it's not already there, I don't feel like looking), do to prevent someone from handing this firearm to an inexperienced shooter?

I'll give you the answer: Nothing.
The red line on your tachometer does nothing to "prevent" you from trying to push an engine up to 10,000 RPMs either. But the system of using a red line as a warning seems to be working with most people, even though it prevents nothing.

Warning and preventing are two completely different things. Warnings while preventing nothing, often work with many people.
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Should have only had one round in the cylinder. That is a safe way to get a feel for recoil. semi or revolver, outcome could be the same.
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Yes people know it is a powerful handgun, but not everyone knows that makes to prone to unintentional bump firing far more than any other handgun on the market. Bump firing is not typically considered a double action revolver phenomena. Might be worth it for the manufacturer to mention that.
Thanks for the vid. I didn't know that can happen so easily.
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The title should read female shooter accidentaly shoots self in head at firing range. Won this years darwin award hands down.
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The red line on your tachometer does nothing to "prevent" you from trying to push an engine up to 10,000 RPMs either. But the system of using a red line as a warning seems to be working with most people, even though it prevents nothing.

Warning and preventing are two completely different things. Warnings while preventing nothing, often work with many people.
The red line on your tachometer has nothing to do with taking a turn too fast on a crappy road with bald tires in poor conditions and getting killed by slamming the vehicle into a telephone pole at 70MPH, or any of the dozens of other ways you can get yourself killed while driving a car or having an inexperienced driver behind the wheel.

A better comparison would be to have warnings for everything a car can do that can kill you plastered all over the dash. It still wouldn't stop anything. Nevermind the fact that you'll just hit the rev limiter, it's not as if hitting the red line is going to make your engine explode and kill or, or mean that your car is now traveling dangerously fast and can kill you. Now if you had a pressure gauge for the boiler on a steam powered car the red line might be a bit more important...

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Personally I think the super heavy recoiling handguns like the S&W .500 and DE 50AE are examples of "just because you can build something doesn't mean you should".

I'm sorry that people have lost their lives shooting them and would never recommend one to a friend.
Why???
As long as you use a good grip/stance, the recoil really isn't that bad. Part of the fun in using them is learning how to control the recoil. There's no reason companies shouldn't make guns like the .500 or the Desert Eagle
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Why???
As long as you use a good grip/stance, the recoil really isn't that bad. Part of the fun in using them is learning how to control the recoil. There's no reason companies shouldn't make guns like the .500 or the Desert Eagle
Exactly. Might as well demand car companies take corvettes, porsches, lambos, etc. off the market because such a powerful and fast vehicle is dangerous in the wrong hands(and actually, more people DO get killed by those cars than guns like the 500 smith, or the desert eagle). Part of being a responsible shooter is understanding this stuff. Going the way of the bradys to try and demonize or ban it because a couple of people happen to be retarded(not necessarily the lady, she was just ignorant) is a terrible idea.
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I have had many people shoot my S&W 500. I never ever load more than 1 round in a time, for anyone including myself for this reason. I have fired many rounds, but I am not in that much of a hurry to burn through really expensive magnum rounds.
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Poor girl. Too much of a gun for some to handle. Wonder if the owner feels responsible for putting that firearm in to the hands of an inexperienced shooter.....
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And this is why I told bigbearbear to teach his wife not to limp wrist instead of just giving her a bigger gun to "play with".

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Ah....my case is quoted out of context here. I am not giving my wife a "bigger" gun, as in "honey, you can't hold the 9mm properly, let's try the .44 magnum instead".

I am looking for a handgun she cab properly fire, maybe something with a heavier frame.

Not the same thing.
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Exactly. Might as well demand car companies take corvettes, porsches, lambos, etc. off the market because such a powerful and fast vehicle is dangerous in the wrong hands(and actually, more people DO get killed by those cars than guns like the 500 smith, or the desert eagle). Part of being a responsible shooter is understanding this stuff. Going the way of the bradys to try and demonize or ban it because a couple of people happen to be retarded(not necessarily the lady, she was just ignorant) is a terrible idea.
Suggesting the manufacturers should of shown more discretion is not the same as suggesting they be outlawed. Reading comprehension for the win next time, k? I'm sure the attorneys at S&W may be questioning the "why" of these handguns in the near future as they prepare for more civil lawsuits.

This isn't a no-Corvette/Lambo/Ferrari argument; its a putting a 2000hp engine in a stock motorcycle chassis argument versus a 4 wheel chassis designed to handle it. If you want the power put it in a long gun. There has to be a point where "enough" really is "enough" in handgun design.
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Suggesting the manufacturers should of shown more discretion is not the same as suggesting they be outlawed. Reading comprehension for the win next time, k? I'm sure the attorneys at S&W may be questioning the "why" of these handguns in the near future as they prepare for more civil lawsuits.

This isn't a no-Corvette/Lambo/Ferrari argument; its a putting a 2000hp engine in a stock motorcycle chassis argument versus a 4 wheel chassis designed to handle it. If you want the power put it in a long gun. There has to be a point where "enough" really is "enough" in handgun design.
More discretion, how? It's a biga** gun that fires a biga** round. Of course it's going to recoil a lot. That's just common sense. You can't fix stupid.
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good old s&w 500 double tap……BOOM BOOM (RELEASES BOWELS)
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I think this sums up some of the sentiments some folks have posted.

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Suggesting the manufacturers should of shown more discretion is not the same as suggesting they be outlawed. Reading comprehension for the win next time, k? I'm sure the attorneys at S&W may be questioning the "why" of these handguns in the near future as they prepare for more civil lawsuits.

This isn't a no-Corvette/Lambo/Ferrari argument; its a putting a 2000hp engine in a stock motorcycle chassis argument versus a 4 wheel chassis designed to handle it. If you want the power put it in a long gun. There has to be a point where "enough" really is "enough" in handgun design.
So you want power restrictions for firearm types? After saying that it wouldn't come down to wanting it banned?

Some people shouldn't be shooting some guns. Period. A little kid can handle a .22lr, doesn't mean they can handle a .577 trex. Would you want the manufacturer to start putting stupid labels in big bore rifles because someone who can't handle it might get hurt? Even if you're just looking for manufacturer warnings(which do dick all if they're in the manual), having the manufacturers print paragraphs of crap on the side of the gun isn't going to prevent a situation like what happened to this lady. Blame the people who put her in this situation, not the damned object or the manufacturer of the object.
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a little trick i learned if a smaller person wants to fire my ak i extend the sling all the way detach it from the rear and have them stand on it

i feel it is cruel to put these excessivly recoiling firearms in the hands of the inexperienced

didnt this happen a while ago with a kid and an uzi
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No, it wasn't. It was 1650cc.

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Hmm, I'm glad the first time I fired one of those, the owner only put in one round.

I also can't think of how terrible the friend or family member must feel, and how gross of a mess it would make when a human gets shot by one of those.
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a little trick i learned if a smaller person wants to fire my ak i extend the sling all the way detach it from the rear and have them stand on it

i feel it is cruel to put these excessivly recoiling firearms in the hands of the inexperienced

didnt this happen a while ago with a kid and an uzi
Yeah, someone gave a kid a full auto uzi pistol at some range event IIRC. Different gun, same problem. Idiot who should have realized there might be an issue and decided to go the cool guy route instead.
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