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Old 07-11-2013, 9:11 PM
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Default sugar+oil a battlefield med? anyone have experience?

Today at work, on my break, I caught the scene from shooter where the fbi agent says that sugar has been used as a battlefield med since the napolianic war so just had to Google it:

http://www.sugardyne.com/?noredirect

Anyone here have first hand experience?
Will the oil turn the mixture rancid? Or does the sugar prevent its turn?
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Old 07-11-2013, 9:19 PM
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Longer than that, if you count honey.

Honey is very hydroscopic - sucks the water out of bacteria that may get in - and it has some antibiotic effect beyond that - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0630111037.htm, http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/11/1677.full, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...report=classic
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Old 07-11-2013, 9:44 PM
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Yes, honey is very good stuff. Sugar can be packed into a wound too, but requires changing, while honey will not. Also copper flakes were used in wounds in Roman times.
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I've treated a few horse wounds with honey . . .
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Old 07-12-2013, 8:13 AM
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Stuff you learn in microbiology. By altering the Ph, salinity, temperature, etc you can kill bacteria, viruses etc. Its why doctors tell you to gargle with salt water when you have a sore throat. Most invaders have a shallow window they can operate in. Change the temp or ph and they die. One reason we get fevers when we get sick. People take stuff to counter the fever and actually harm the bodies defenses.

Some things like yeast are very hard to kill and require temps that would kill the host way before killing the yeast (160f).
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Sugar was used to combat pressure sores as well.
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actually, it is suger, water and iodine, honey works well too, actually better. never use oil, bad idea. Oil will actually prevent the healing process, the last thing you want to do to a casualty is cause more harm
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Xgi1991,
Oil is bad? I agree the idea of vegetable oil seems strange, but some oils are pretty good like vitamin E, and tea tree oil.
Llamatrnr,
More info? Type of wound? How did it work?
This probably deserves its own thread, but anyone else use sugar, honey or some other natural healer on a bad wound?
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Coconut oil used not only for cooking but skin moisturizer and dress over minor burn, scrapes, or cuts. You can also use it on your hair to give it shine just don't put too much. A little goes a long way.

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I learned a while back that honey is a good, long shelf life, survival food.
As most of you probably already know, preserved honey (fit for human consumption) have been found in Egyptian tombs.
I've forgotten it's benefits for treating flesh wounds. Thanks for reminding me.
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How come babies aren't supposed to eat honey?
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You may have heard that you shouldn't give honey to babies under 1 year of age, but do you know why people say this? It's because honey (and other products such as improperly canned foods or some corn syrups) may contain bacteria called Clostridium botulinum that can cause botulism in infants. The symptoms of botulism include severe muscle weakness, poor feeding, and breathing problems and occurs in about 100 infants every year. Babies (especially those younger than 6 months) are at risk because their digestive systems are not mature enough to handle the bacteria. Fortunately, most babies receive medical treatment and can recover fully.
http://forums.webmd.com/3/newborn-an...xchange/tip/26

In context - in the US, roughly 4 million babies are born each year. 100 in 4,000,000 isn't bad odds, but it's preventable.

See also http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/Botulism...ns/control.asp - it appears that honey as an ingredient that is cooked or baked above 120 degrees C (248 F) would be safe, as that temp kills C. botulinum spores.
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http://forums.webmd.com/3/newborn-an...xchange/tip/26

In context - in the US, roughly 4 million babies are born each year. 100 in 4,000,000 isn't bad odds, but it's preventable.

See also http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/Botulism...ns/control.asp - it appears that honey as an ingredient that is cooked or baked above 120 degrees C (248 F) would be safe, as that temp kills C. botulinum spores.
I spent a good hour talking with a bee keeper (selling his flavored honeys) that swears raw honey is the best way. Most store bought honey has been cooked or heated to kill off any possible germs, in doing so they also kill off all the benefits. I see the point for babies though.

Also, anyone that didn't know about bees, their sting though uncomfortable (or deadly if you're allergic) has some great healing qualities.
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http://forums.webmd.com/3/newborn-an...xchange/tip/26

In context - in the US, roughly 4 million babies are born each year. 100 in 4,000,000 isn't bad odds, but it's preventable.

See also http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/Botulism...ns/control.asp - it appears that honey as an ingredient that is cooked or baked above 120 degrees C (248 F) would be safe, as that temp kills C. botulinum spores.
You also dont give it to babies ecause their digestive system is not as developed as an adult i.e. no solids for example. The baby cant properly digest honey it can give em the slits lol

My grandpa is a bee farmer and Honey is great stuff only food that never spoils! THats a shelf life of forever so long as it keeps properly sealed. always get the rew uncooked honey for the benifits and the stuff in the store normaly has cornsryup added to it. Next time you go to KFC check the honey ingredants its not honey lol I have a large supply of my own faily honey best stuff ever and has ten times the taste of any store bought stuff. THe best thing tooif you have diabetic issues you can still use Honey to help with bad sores and cuts. It not only help heal it it also does wonders on the skin to make it softer. THe only thing with raw uncooked is it crystalizes but just heat it up and its good to go.
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You also dont give it to babies ecause their digestive system is not as developed as an adult i.e. no solids for example. The baby cant properly digest honey it can give em the slits lol

My grandpa is a bee farmer and Honey is great stuff only food that never spoils! THats a shelf life of forever so long as it keeps properly sealed. always get the rew uncooked honey for the benifits and the stuff in the store normaly has cornsryup added to it. Next time you go to KFC check the honey ingredants its not honey lol I have a large supply of my own faily honey best stuff ever and has ten times the taste of any store bought stuff. THe best thing tooif you have diabetic issues you can still use Honey to help with bad sores and cuts. It not only help heal it it also does wonders on the skin to make it softer. THe only thing with raw uncooked is it crystalizes but just heat it up and its good to go.
where is a good place to buy raw honey and what is the best way to store it, zip lock bags?
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Old 07-16-2013, 8:18 PM
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I've bought local honey from small fruit\veggie stands, also local street fairs and festivals. Costco honey is real honey, though i don't know if it has been pasturized or cooked, or whatever the process is called. Craigslist can usually link you to local bee keepers selling their honey.
As for storage, you're on your own, I've never had honey at home crystalize, so pantry or kitchen counter don't seem to bother honey in my house. It happened to me at work once though. To fix it, i put the container on the dash of my car for a couple hours in the sun. I left it too long because the plastic container began to melt also. I'd guess an hour in the sun on a warm day would have been plenty.
Also know that honey that's crystalized is not bad. If you keep it in a mason jar you can still use it exactly the same.

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where is a good place to buy raw honey and what is the best way to store it, zip lock bags?
local farmers markets are good. If you get it for long term stoarage make sure to buy the ones in jars so if they crystlize you can heat it back into liquid. If you live in socal my mom sells her dads honey. Just google Eggman honey. The bee farm is actually in the portervill area. The problem with the platic jars is that you can heat it back up without melting or leaching the plastic. The stuff at costco is grade A honey the problem with grade A is that its heated (cooked) and strained. in doing that you burn off and filter out all the good enzimes and antibodys and all the other good stuff. What you want is grade B which is not filtered so much and not cooked. Bassicaly Grade A is heated realy hot and then forced through cloth with a thread count simular to a tshirt. So it strains everything out and kills all the good stuff. Honey is natrely safe as long as there is not any pesticides or antibiotics in it.Basically all you need to do is lightly strain honey to get any dirt or other large debres from it. And the best part is it keeps it good properties and taste that way.
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Forgot to mention the honey I have rarely crystalizes it takes around 5 years or longer depending on storage conditions or one or two for the creamed honey. The whiped honey (think whipe cream) crystalizes faster because its been airated. Its whiped to make it light, creamy and flufy for things like toast. I also have raw honey combs those taste great and its wax so you can eat the whole thing.
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