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Old 07-06-2013, 6:22 PM
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Old 07-06-2013, 6:26 PM
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The TWS Dogleg is a really nice set up.

I run the Parabellum arms AKARS on my rifle, and really like it also.


It will not force 922r.

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Old 07-06-2013, 6:37 PM
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The TWS Dogleg is a really nice set up.

I run the Parabellum arms AKARS on my rifle, and really like it also.


It will not force 922r.

how is your parabellum arms AKARS better or worse than the TWS dogleg?

is it cheaper?

also, if i get the TWS dogleg and want to convert my saiga to a pistol grip/telescoping stock a year down the road, will i still be able to use it?

does the conversion conflict with anything in that area?
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Old 07-06-2013, 6:47 PM
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how is your parabellum arms AKARS better or worse than the TWS dogleg?
Honestly, about the same. Nicer finish off the bat is all.
is it cheaper?
about the same

also, if i get the TWS dogleg and want to convert my saiga to a pistol grip/telescoping stock a year down the road, will i still be able to use it?
The Parabellum for sure yes, the TWS I'm pretty sure you are ok. It uses a different dust cover latch and recoil spring guide, but shouldn't interfere with anything.

does the conversion conflict with anything in that area?
No.

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Take a look at the ultimak. It replaces the gas tube and is the lowest rail onthe market.

They run $85-$100 and are a simple installation job.


The issue i have with AK is keeping a solid cheek weld. So a low rail makes sense to me.

http://ultimak.com/pic1.htm


Here it is with an $80 primary arms micro dot
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Old 07-06-2013, 6:53 PM
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Take a look at the ultimak. It replaces the gas tube and is the lowest rail onthe market.

They run $85-$100 and are a simple installation job.


The issue i have with AK is keeping a solid cheek weld. So a low rail makes sense to me.
Not sure if you have tried one of the AKARS or TWS dog legs, but they are low mount, cowitness capable rails. Not quite as low as the ultimak, but close. Personally I really don't like the forward mounted optics.
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Use the side mount optics rail. It's the way the rifle was designed.... The UTG quick release mount is actually a pretty good and stable mount.. Plus it costs around $25... It allows you to mount your scope or red dod on the senter line of the rifle, and also allows you to remove the top cover without removing the mount.... The mount also has a decent return to zero if you do remove it.

Here is a link to a video... Not my video, but it's a okay evaluation.

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Try looking up Beryl style scope mount. Its about $40 bucks. Works well with by Saiga 223.
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I have some mounts for sale that you can use.
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TWS rail is perfect for it. Gas-tube mounted rails get HOT.
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Some other interesting options for mounting a red dot on an AK.

RS Regulate

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this is what i have on my 5.45 Saiga. works like a charm. its very low on the rifle and is centered over the action.
It cowitnesses and returns to zero and has about 9 brightness levels to choose from. Its built tough and is water proof from what i can tell since Ive used it in the rain with no ill effects. Its also in use with several Russian military units.
http://kalinkaoptics.com/rifle-scope...0-mm-tube.html


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Some other interesting options for mounting a red dot on an AK.

RS Regulate

Midwest Industries

yea i was lookin at the midwest one


do you have any experience with it? thoughts?
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yea i was lookin at the midwest one


do you have any experience with it? thoughts?
The reviews I have seen say its great for what it is, but durability is a bit questioned.

Take that for what you will, I'll stick with a modern, locking rear rail setup.
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Old 07-08-2013, 2:32 PM
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yea i was lookin at the midwest one


do you have any experience with it? thoughts?
No experience with either. I have a $25 UTG gen 5 side mounted rail. Solid as a rock, but optics sit high necessitating a cheekpad. I often look at $100 rails, then remember, it is an AK, and that ends that.
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yea i was lookin at the midwest one


do you have any experience with it? thoughts?
I have the Midwest rail. It sits extremely low on a Saiga. The bottom of the rail almost kisses the top of the dust cover. However, it sits slightly to the right of the bore centerline by about 5mm.

The UTG 5th Gen sits about 12-15mm above the dust cover but it lines up perfectly with the bore centerline.

Mind you, this is with a Saiga. On the Cugir Romanian built AK everything sits higher by another 10mm simply because the side mounted rail is mounted 10mm higher on the receiver as opposed to the Saiga.
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+1 for the Parabellum arms AKARS. I've had one mounted on my converted saiga 7.62x39 for over a thousand rounds. It holds the zero on my microdot perfectly even after removing the dust cover multiple times. I prefer to have the optic toward rear of the rifle rather than over the gas tube.
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http://kalinkaoptics.com/mounts/ak-v...m-rings-2.html

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I have the Midwest rail. It sits extremely low on a Saiga. The bottom of the rail almost kisses the top of the dust cover. However, it sits slightly to the right of the bore centerline by about 5mm.

The UTG 5th Gen sits about 12-15mm above the dust cover but it lines up perfectly with the bore centerline.

Mind you, this is with a Saiga. On the Cugir Romanian built AK everything sits higher by another 10mm simply because the side mounted rail is mounted 10mm higher on the receiver as opposed to the Saiga.
just got mine this morning and installed it with an Aimpoint H1.

i love it. sits super low and seems sturdy.

thanks for the help guys.
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