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CASM mount ain't worth it.

I'm telling you guys basset picatinny low or sadlak steel...
Just wondering, did you ever have one?
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Anyone have any experience with using aluminum mounts, and their accuracy goes away when the steel receiver heats up the mount ? Just wondering about the different properties of materials and how that effects your zero.
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Forgot to ask, what kinda cheek riser is that? had to drill the stock yourself?

also, the mount..did you have to take out the clip attachment (interface)?

looks like you can still use irons with that mount?
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Anyone have any experience with using aluminum mounts, and their accuracy goes away when the steel receiver heats up the mount ? Just wondering about the different properties of materials and how that effects your zero.
I have heard the aluminum shears off near the stripper clip guide mount.
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Just wondering, did you ever have one?
Yeah it didn't fit quite right and when tightened it had a slight bow in it. I've seen reviews on the internet where people said the bow in the middle of it didn't matter and they stuck a scope on it anyways
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Just jailed an M1A Scout Squad today and was looking into getting a full length rail for it also. I thought about the JAE stock but that thing is expensive once you get into some of the options. I'm leaning towards the Vltor CASV14 myself.
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I have heard the aluminum shears off near the stripper clip guide mount.
Is that because of heat ? Plus does the rail bow when it is heated ? How about scope rings, are the better ones steel on steel rails in accurized long distance rifles ?
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Is that because of heat ? Plus does the rail bow when it is heated ? How about scope rings, are the better ones steel on steel rails in accurized long distance rifles ?
I'm not sure why they shear, just something people are saying.
On the m14-CASM, I think they bow when they are over tensioned.
Even if they are bowed, you would still be able to sight them in, so it may not be a problem.
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There is a non-aluminum M14 CASM available, it's made of 4140 HTSR steel.
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There is a non-aluminum M14 CASM available, it's made of 4140 HTSR steel.
I think I'm going to get that mount.
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A bowed mount means your scope will be bent when you tighten the rings.

Start with a basset picatinny model, then get a sadlak steel. If neither of those work properly then you can start with the more radical mounting options.
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Just jailed an M1A Scout Squad today and was looking into getting a full length rail for it also. I thought about the JAE stock but that thing is expensive once you get into some of the options. I'm leaning towards the Vltor CASV14 myself.
When I was still reading up on M14 stuff, I remember hearing about people scoring used JAE Gen2s for half price or so. And JAE sometimes offers specials on their website (how I got mine). Worth looking into, if you like the JAE.

Again, it's a really heavy stock, but I otherwise can't say enough about how awesome I think it is. Their customer service is really amazing too.
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I really like the Sage Stocks myself. Too bad they are evil.
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I really like the Sage Stocks myself. Too bad they are evil.
Yeah, if I had my choice of anything I would probably go with the Troy Chassis System with Magpul UBR, Sage or JAE.
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I really like the Sage Stocks myself. Too bad they are evil.
I feel for you folks living in states that proclaim good kit evil.

The SAGE EBR is my favorite, but the Blackfeather "RS" is a close 2nd.


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I feel for you folks living in states that proclaim good kit evil.

The SAGE EBR is my favorite, but the Blackfeather "RS" is a close 2nd.



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Getting tired of all the BS in California. My friend just moved to Oregon, maybe I'll do the same.
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Sage is the top photo?
I think I like the bottom one better, based on looks alone. Although it looks like the colors are off in the second photo, from a flash?

I paid for a Socom 16 today, with a composite green stock. I dont mind the wait for shipping, but, the dreaded 10 day wait is going to be HORRIBLE. God I have about 3 coming within the next month, and 1 going on right now. Time moves so slow.
Ordered two lower rails(for bipods), one for my M1A and one for my Socom 16 when it arrives.
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Mine just shipped in from Texas, I just started the 10 day waiting period today.
M1A Standard model with the oak stock, it came without the flash hider because of Kali's stupid gun laws, so I'm looking for a coastguard muzzle brake and a scope mount.
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Sage is the top photo?
I think I like the bottom one better, based on looks alone.
Although it looks like the colors are off in the second photo, from a flash?
Top one is a SAGE, the bottom one is black with a top rail that is FDE
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I'm planning on adding a scope(Trijicon Tr22) to my M1A but don't really like the Sadlak mount. I would prefer an extended rail that is more integrated with the stock like the Troy M1A chassis. The only problem is the stupid pistol grip would require a bullet button which I really don't want to do.

Currently I'm thinking of going with the JAE stock and adding the VLTOR CASV-14 extended rail

Is it really worth it? Would i be just as happy with just going with the Sadlak mount? The M1A isn't going to get any lighter with the JAE Stock right?

Maybe I should just go with the Sadlak mount and then get spring guide and piston and stop there. If I want that other type of platform I should just build an AR-10. What do you folks think?

Been there. Done it. JAE stocks are nice but it will add significant weight to the gun. And I mean SIGNIFICANT. Honestly, you are better off keeping the factory stock and adding a Sadlak or CASM rail/scope mount. There is absolute no need for a full rail unless you plan on scope and NV combo... which in the state of CA is moot.

My build with JAE and a 4-16x scope weighed in at a whopping 19 lbs. Was it all worth it? no.
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OK, you are willing to remove your rear sight... instead of the Troy battle rail, consider the M14-CASM from M14.ca
Lower cost, less weight and it has a fixed rear peep hole that allows you to use your front sight (after lowering/removing the cheek rest).
I have this mount, it's rock solid and there is no need to invest in flip-up BUIS.



BTW, Hoop mentioned the Vortex 1st, I agreed with his recommendation.
This is my setup.

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This is my setup.
Nice stock. Who makes it?
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many good info here, tag for reference. thanks
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Got the CASM Gen II. Lightweight, sturdy, and it doesn't cost all that much. Really dig it.
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I really like the Sage Stocks myself. Too bad they are evil.
A guy on M14 TFL who helped me pick out a scope has a SAGE, here in CA. Saw a Sage Scout M1A on Gunbroker a few months ago. I think it's possible to have one here. I don't know the specifics, but I know it has been done.

Honestly, if I knew it was possible at the time, I would have gone the sage route instead of the JAE. But again, I'm happy with my JAE. Not so hot on the Sage that I'd be willing to change everything around (ATM) just for the sage stock.
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Got the CASM Gen II. Lightweight, sturdy, and it doesn't cost all that much. Really dig it.
I noticed the gen 2 doesn't have the peep sight, are you able to use the groove in the picatinny as a sight?

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A guy on M14 TFL who helped me pick out a scope has a SAGE, here in CA. Saw a Sage Scout M1A on Gunbroker a few months ago. I think it's possible to have one here. I don't know the specifics, but I know it has been done.

Honestly, if I knew it was possible at the time, I would have gone the sage route instead of the JAE. But again, I'm happy with my JAE. Not so hot on the Sage that I'd be willing to change everything around (ATM) just for the sage stock.
Pistol grip you need a bullet button, I may be wrong.
I looked into a McMillan M3a stock too. Same ergonomics as your JAE, but more traditional. Still up there in cost, so I just got a GI issue synthetic. I am trying to just keep my wood stock in good shape with this. Maybe save some weight, not sure yet if it will.
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OC Armory has a the mag lock required for pistol gripped m1a's... It is just a mag release lever that is so short it requires a screwdriver or similar tool to operate. It is a pain in the ***.

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I noticed the gen 2 doesn't have the peep sight, are you able to use the groove in the picatinny as a sight?
Some of the Gen 1 CASM mounts did not have the rear peep, mine is this way. All new production CASM have the rear peep hole shown in your 1st picture.
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Some of the Gen 1 CASM mounts did not have the rear peep, mine is this way. All new production CASM have the rear peep hole shown in your 1st picture.
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Does your mount have this "Bow" people are talking about?
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Does your mount have this "Bow" people are talking about?
No, but I see how an out of spec receiver and an unwillingness to follow installation instructions could result in a bow.
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