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Old 06-28-2013, 9:28 AM
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I just bought a 1963 Ford Falcon and we had some friends over and they wanted to go for a ride around town (we live in an unincorporated town of <180 people) and check it out. I was fine with it until one of them wanted to bring their 5 year old. I know that the car is exempt from seat belts (although it does have 5 points in the front seats) and so it brought up an interesting dilemma for me. I know that child restraint laws are separate from seat belt laws and so I was wondering if anyone CHP or otherwise could chime in as to the legality of a 5 year old riding in the back seat with no seat belt in an exempt car.

I am going to retrofit the car with lap belts in the back next weekend so I can take them out for a cruise but I really was unsure of the law and couldn't find an answer online. If anyone could let me know I would really appreciate it.
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Old 06-28-2013, 9:57 AM
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I think you answered your own question.

Child welfare laws are to protect the child.
http://www.chp.ca.gov/community/safeseat.html

In other words, how does a 5 year old ride on a motorcycle???
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You can't take the child without the proper restraints.
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That's kind of what I figured. I didn't know however that they have to have a lap AND shoulder belt to be in a booster seat. And I thought the law was still up until 6 years AND 60 pounds. Now it's 8 years in a booster seat? That's crazy. Looks like they wont be riding at all because I'm not putting shoulder belts in this beauty. Thanks for the info.
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Why risk it? A childs life is worth way more than a joy ride.
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The sections you need to review are 27360 and 27363 Vehicle Code. Find them here http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...2c83be889406a8
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Why risk it? A childs life is worth way more than a joy ride.
Which is why I didn't risk it, that's what I indicated in my original post.

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According to the CHP website lap belts are not sufficient for a child in a booster seat, it HAS to be a shoulder and lap belt. I already have the lap belts I'm going to put into the back seat which I thought was enough but the website says no. So I'm just not going to let the kids ride is all. I wont put shoulder belts in the back to take someone else's kids cruising.
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The sections you need to review are 27360 and 27363 Vehicle Code. Find them here http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...2c83be889406a8
Thanks for the info, it appears that 27363(c) would allow the child over 40 pounds to ride in the back seat without a restraint system if they only have a lap belt.

Am I reading that correctly?
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Which is why I didn't risk it, that's what I indicated in my original post.
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I'm sorry, I didn't get that from the original post. I was mainly speaking in general. Carry on.
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Thanks for the info, it appears that 27363(c) would allow the child over 40 pounds to ride in the back seat without a restraint system if they only have a lap belt.

Am I reading that correctly?
It has been a few years, but as I read it you will also have to have the safety booster seat for the over 40 lbs/4 years. This brings the hip bones up to the correct height/angle to allow the restraint to be somewhat effective.

Call your local CHP office, they should have someone who has received extra training to correctly install the child restraints, they will be able to provide you with the current application of law.
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