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Old 06-02-2013, 1:41 PM
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Default 50 bmg as a shtf tool

Want to say thanks to the calgunner who invited me up!! Thanks also for letting me shoot your gun!!!!!

Until yesterday I didn't really see the need for a 50 during shtf, I have changed my mind about that. I think a bolt action 50, either with or without a magazine, is a tool to stop certain targets. Targets at extreme distances or large hardened targets coming up your driveway are a few things I can think of. It wouldn't be the rifle to bug out on foot with, but it might just save your life if the bad guys have a large truck or are hiding behind cars/trees and shooting back.

Before you make up your mind I suggest you go to one of the 50 bmg matches like I did and enjoy the show. Its really something to shoot clay pigeons at 1000yds.

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Awesome pics -- thanks for sharing.

No doubt it's a great tool for punching holes through stuff, even at distance. I've been considering one for our boat for just that reason -- I'd like something more powerful than my .308 to deter bad guys and I'd like to be able to accomplish that deterrence at the greatest possible range.
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Awesome pics -- thanks for sharing.

No doubt it's a great tool for punching holes through stuff, even at distance. I've been considering one for our boat for just that reason -- I'd like something more powerful than my .308 to deter bad guys and I'd like to be able to accomplish that deterrence at the greatest possible range.
They can shoot too! I was aiming at a clay pigeon and hit 3" under. Second shot hit 3" right and under. Both were in the torso area of a two legged target. Wind conditions were gusty and to 10mph. So I feel like a very quick shot with an unknown rifle it is awesome I could get within 3" of a 4" dot.
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My son is an Army sniper. The only bad thing he had to say about the .50 was that humping it all over Iraq and Afghanistan gets old fast.
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I would like to own one but I missed the boat.....How many 50 BMGs were recorded in any domestic shooting ? So I guess I can build a 49 or a 51 right ?
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I would like to own one but I missed the boat.....How many 50 BMGs were recorded in any domestic shooting ? So I guess I can build a 49 or a 51 right ?

If you have a RAW lower like some of us you can buy an ALS upper for 2400 and run 50 bmg legal in the PROK.
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its like $8 every time u pull the trigger, right?
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Been to that range nice! .50 makes quite an impression at long range
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its like $8 every time u pull the trigger, right?
Loaded round are as cheap as 2-3ea but the brass is worth 1-1.50ea so as cheap as 1 dollar each.

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Impressed and jealous at the same time. Nice boomsticks.
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I would like to own one but I missed the boat.....How many 50 BMGs were recorded in any domestic shooting ? So I guess I can build a 49 or a 51 right ?
you can buy a .50 DTC
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Great pics! Love it.

On the topic, in a SHTF situation it has very limited use. I place it in the same category as 27mm tube launcher, and armor plated 4X4. While it sounds good, the actual use isnt there.
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On the topic, in a SHTF situation it has very limited use. I place it in the same category as 27mm tube launcher, and armor plated 4X4. While it sounds good, the actual use isnt there.
I think it has the potential for great utility in certain SHTF applications. As PC said, if you need to stop a vehicle, esp at distance, there's nothing better (that's easily obtainable).

Having unwanted vehicles coming at you would seem to be a pretty common problem, well worth solving, esp since many are planning on bugging in for a broad range of scenarios, and blockading their street / defending that blockade would be of primary importance....hence the .50.

Also, what's cover against most rifles is only concealment against a .50. Bad guys taking cover behind a car or brick / cinder block wall would seem to be another, very common problem also well worth solving.

Lastly, range is king. Since the dawn of man, the bow & arrow dominated the battlefield, because you could kill them before they could kill you. The .50 is pretty much the same argument, all other things being equal, hence another problem well worth solving.
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You can still buy a 416 Barrett in the state. A 338 Lapua or a 338 Remington Ultra Mag are really good choices for long range work.

Look to spend about 10 to 12 thousand dollars on a good set up, optics and ammo. Double that if you want one with good night vision.
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Old 06-03-2013, 7:51 AM
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You can still buy a 416 Barrett in the state. A 338 Lapua or a 338 Remington Ultra Mag are really good choices for long range work.

Look to spend about 10 to 12 thousand dollars on a good set up, optics and ammo. Double that if you want one with good night vision.

Actually its not anywhere near those numbers. Like I said do the homework FIRST before deciding.

.50DTC or .50 BMG (if you own a RAW) is $2400 from ALS, even cheaper used.

Ammo is $1.50rd

Scopes (the guys are using NF or SS scopes) and an SS scope can be had for $200 with used NF's going for $1200.

So the total price would be....

2400
200
150 (100rds ammo)
Total= $2,750 which is cheaper than most Ar-10's

Oh and the ALS can shoot too. I missed a clay pigeon by 3" twice in 10mph gusting winds (first time on a .50, not my gun, not used to 1k winds).
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That is awesome. Where was this? Was everyone shooting 50 bmg or 510 dtc?
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Also look at some of the Cheytac rounds.
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I had a .50 before foolishly selling it to fund the down payment of a house. They are fun to shoot. Recoil was surprising low. Muzzle blast was another story!! It was more of a "who has the biggest nutz" type gun at the range. Very limited utility in SHTF for most in my opinion. If I owned an appreciable amount of land I'd feel differently.
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want. What is that, a ferret? Only 50 I could want more is the Anzio LW50.

This thread makes me want to sell all my guns to buy a 50.
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Provide a link for .50 BMG ammo (or reloading supplies) for $1.50 a round....
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Stood watch with a 50 BMG, got home and found them at $3,500 for a mag fed..

I'm still kicking my a** today.
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Provide a link for .50 BMG ammo (or reloading supplies) for $1.50 a round....
Please use at least 2nd grade reading comprehension when viewing my posts.
Sheeeshhhhhh!

Here is loaded ammo for $2.45 (minus brass resale value) making it cost 1.00-1.50ea JUST LIKE I SAID ABOVE!!

If you search for components and reload it would be about the same. Powder is 45 per 8lbs.

Took me all of 10 seconds to find that link for the "search-handicapped". Im sure spending more than 10 seconds would net you even more savings bringing the cost down even more.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=343511185

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I find it upsetting that 50 BMG brass can be had for $1.50 a pop yet when I want to shoot anything with a 416 Rigby parent, 378 Bee parent, or 500 Jeffery parent, the price jumps to around $4 a pop. Even .404 Jeffery parent is around $2 a pop.

That's just not right.
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I find it upsetting that 50 BMG brass can be had for $1.50 a pop yet when I want to shoot anything with a 416 Rigby parent, 378 Bee parent, or 500 Jeffery parent, the price jumps to around $4 a pop. Even .404 Jeffery parent is around $2 a pop.

That's just not right.
Some will pay 1.50ea, but I have seen some midnight auctions on gb go for .70ea. Lake city is usually in the 1ea range sometimes lower.

Brand new xm133 for 3.50ea loaded. Prices will drop after the panic.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...-bmg-10rd.html

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That just makes it worse.
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The problem is that API, tracers, or anything incendiary is illegal in Communfornia.

Ben (MrKubota) has very good prices on his .50DTC and BMG ammo and he has a good reputation as a Calgunner.
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Heres a tip... don't tell them.

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Saw some .50 big. brass .50 cents each.
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Please use at least 2nd grade reading comprehension when viewing my posts.
Sheeeshhhhhh!

Here is loaded ammo for $2.45 (minus brass resale value) making it cost 1.00-1.50ea JUST LIKE I SAID ABOVE!!

If you search for components and reload it would be about the same. Powder is 45 per 8lbs.

Took me all of 10 seconds to find that link for the "search-handicapped". Im sure spending more than 10 seconds would net you even more savings bringing the cost down even more.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=343511185
Yeah - Another guy was bragging about .338LM rounds for $2 a round -

Not CA legal either.

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actually, I just calculated my cost for 338LM, it came out to $1.93 and that includes brass.

But that was a one time deal on brass that will never happen again. When that wears out its back to what, $3 a pop for brass? $4 a pop?

Now look at 378 weatherby brass. It's just not right that BMG can be so cheap.
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by the way, if anyone wants to shoot BMG on the cheap...



You know. Minus the 200 grains of powder and ridiculous price primers. Someone needs to make an insert so we can use hot 209 primers in the BMG.
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you guys all suck, for re-awakening my desire for a 50dtc. Anyone want to trade my accessorized 338lm for their non-bohica DTC? =B

Also, whats going on with this guy?



I've never seen a big 50 without a muzle device, and I don't see a brake on the table. What's going on here? (It's also a lovely rifle)

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Heres a tip... don't tell them.

Does a kid tell mommy they saw boobies in a porno mag? Only if they are stoopid.
Did I say to turn yourself in? Truer words are never spoken out of the mouth of a soon to be criminal... "Don't tell them"... you serious? Yeah, don't tell them and buy it straight from gunbroker. It is very hard to see where you are from or where to send he ammo. It is definitely very hard for any governmental agency to track retroactively also.



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you guys all suck, for re-awakening my desire for a 50dtc. Anyone want to trade my accessorized 338lm for their non-bohica DTC? =B
I am not looking for a 338lm but I might have a new Serbu single shot dtc for sale later.

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Also, whats going on with this guy?

I've never seen a big 50 without a muzle device, and I don't see a brake on the table. What's going on here? (It's also a lovely rifle)
If he shoots that rifle without a brake, I believe what that guy lacks in a muzzle brake can probably be found between his legs...
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I am not looking for a 338lm but I might have a new Serbu single shot dtc for sale later.



If he shoots that rifle without a brake, I believe what that guy lacks in a muzzle brake can probably be found between his legs...
found between his legs... you mean what's left of his shoulder? =D


We may need to talk later. may.
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If anybody needs some .50bmg ammo on the cheap, here is a decent spot to grab some:

http://www.freedommunitions.com/50-B...647r-b0010.htm




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I have to wonder if the shoulder can be bumped back without removing the powder or changing neck tension too much. would be quite a fire forming load for DTC..
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you guys all suck, for re-awakening my desire for a 50dtc. Anyone want to trade my accessorized 338lm for their non-bohica DTC? =B

Also, whats going on with this guy?



I've never seen a big 50 without a muzle device, and I don't see a brake on the table. What's going on here? (It's also a lovely rifle)
On the heavy bolt guns like this one, they'll usually remove the brake to clean it after use. Looks like he's busy 'nailing' down his rest. The brake will eventually be reattached. They typically use some very thin shims to snug it up and get the right timing and square it up with the rest of the gun.
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interesting. and just hand snug it on there? I thought brakes had to be torqued on, even for 10-20 rounds. I was wrong?
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I have to wonder if the shoulder can be bumped back without removing the powder or changing neck tension too much. would be quite a fire forming load for DTC..
The brass still needs to be trimmed about .10" to chamber into a DTC gun. (3.78" will fit most all DTC chambers)
It's easy enough to do. Max powder load in an unformed DTC case is around 225gr of a typical BMG powder like wc860, imr5010, or H50bmg
A good 'forming' load is 218-220gr.

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