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Old 05-28-2013, 10:13 AM
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I am wondering about CA compliant 10 round magazine for my M&P 15 22...Will it become illegal under the proposed magazine legislation in light of its length?
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wow, have to register bolt actions with removable mags.
...that are purchased after January 1, 2014--is how I read the law.
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...that are purchased after January 1, 2014--is how I read the law.
Its this statement that makes me believe you have to register even if you owned or possesed before Jan 1, 2014, but I hope you are correct.

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Yeah I think its future purchases not what you have now
if I read it correctly
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Yeah I think its future purchases not what you have now
if I read it correctly
Hope you are correct and I'll be damned if I'll register my Grandfather's Rem 870 shotgun. Willed to me in 1964 in Missouri. Besides why should any of us have to pay the state fees for something we already legally own, would cost me $200 to register them all. BS in my opinion.
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Hope you are correct and I'll be damned if I'll register my Grandfather's Rem 870 shotgun. Willed to me in 1964 in Missouri. Besides why should any of us have to pay the state fees for something we already legally own, would cost me $200 to register them all. BS in my opinion.
Oh trust me I am not registering anything I currently own

Ca will have made me a criminal if that is the case
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Oh trust me I am not registering anything I currently own

Ca will have made me a criminal if that is the case

same here.............
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same here.............
thats what they want - all us law abiding gun owners to say F.U. CA state & their "common sense" gun laws so that WE ALL DO NOT ABIDE and then we become criminals.....lose our right to bear arms & more important to them we CANT VOTE
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thats what they want - all us law abiding gun owners to say F.U. CA state & their "common sense" gun laws so that WE ALL DO NOT ABIDE and then we become criminals.....lose our right to bear arms & more important to them we CANT VOTE
Oh I vote. Been voting since I was 18. That being said California has a history of late of voting the same fools in office election after election so yeah I wont register my sh-it that isnt already registered
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well someone with some gunsmithing skills should be able to come up wiht a fixed magazine for these rifles there must be 10 million of them in the state. Ive got two myself.
this state is getitng to eb too much what happened to freedom? I thought i heard rumor wehni was young that we lived ina free Country?
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If i am reading it correctly http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...usClient.xhtml They did some major edits on this bill on the 24th and it no longer affects our .22s still a crap bill but if it does pass .22 is still safe for now.
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If i am reading it correctly http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...usClient.xhtml They did some major edits on this bill on the 24th and it no longer affects our .22s still a crap bill but if it does pass .22 is still safe for now.
which bill was modified for the rimfire?
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Correct link, and no, rimfires are not exempted:
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...earch_keywords=
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It has occurred to me that what is needed is for the NRA, etc, to file a "suit" that clearly defines what an "assault weapon" is, and the single most defining feature should be automatic fire capability. In conjunction with that a social media campaign should be launched to rid the term "assault weapon" from public discourse, much like "illegal immigrant" has been.
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After re-reading the proposed SB-374 a number of times I find it curious that it states it will be a crime to violate the provisions of the law but it does not state whether its a felony, misdemeanor or what? Usually laws state the classification of the crime and/or amount of the fine.

Such as: Violation is a felony or misdemeanor punishable by one year in prison and a fine up to $10,000 (or some similiar wording). Maybe its a non-punishable crime, eh??
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Old 05-30-2013, 1:45 PM
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NO REGISTRATION - BUILD A TRUST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-qll-_QgU

In fact ALL gun owners should have a Gun Trust.
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The US Supreme Court ruled in Murdock v. Pennsylvania, as follows:
(Page [319 U.S. 105, 113]) "The privilege in question exists apart from state authority. It is guaranteed the people by the federal constitution. viz., The state cannot and does not have the power to license, nor tax, a Right guaranteed to the people."
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NO REGISTRATION - BUILD A TRUST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-qll-_QgU

In fact ALL gun owners should have a Gun Trust.
did you get a gun trust? how much does it cost?
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The US Supreme Court ruled in Murdock v. Pennsylvania, as follows:
(Page [319 U.S. 105, 113]) "The privilege in question exists apart from state authority. It is guaranteed the people by the federal constitution. viz., The state cannot and does not have the power to license, nor tax, a Right guaranteed to the people."
there's an * on the bottom of the page that says "except in california."
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you must be right.
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It has occurred to me that what is needed is for the NRA, etc, to file a "suit" that clearly defines what an "assault weapon" is, and the single most defining feature should be automatic fire capability. In conjunction with that a social media campaign should be launched to rid the term "assault weapon" from public discourse, much like "illegal immigrant" has been.
"Illegal immigrant" should be eliminated from the lexicon. It is a conflation "illegal alien" and "immigrant". Being any kind of immigrant implies a status of legitimacy which is contradictive to the illegal part. Illegal alien is statutorily defined and, as such, should be the preferred term.

That aside, an "assault rifle" is unambiguously defined. An "Assault weapon" is not. Assault weapons include any of a number of classification of weapons, many of which are already illegal and most of which are defined by superficial and cosmetic features that are irrelevant to their usage and the supposed risk their presence entails.

Best strategy IMO is to fight misinformation with hard fact, and to do so in a calm, rational, and patient manner. Zealots will likely not be converted but there are plenty of voters that fall in the middle and lean anti-2A simply because they haven't considered the ramifications of policies in that direction. Don't go all tin-foil-hat. Just point out the notion of self-defense (particularly by women, elderly, and gays), self-reliance, property rights, and statistics showing that despite gun control possibly reducing "gun violence," that more often than not, overall violent crime increases, and that when shall-issue ccw policies were implemented over the past 20 years or so, rape, murder, and assault all drastically and rapidly fell in the states adopting those policies.
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Here we go to the courts...don't forget to support those who will be taking it to the man, NRA and Cal Guns.
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Time to acquire a couple of bolt-action tube-magazine rifles for the farm. And ammo. If ammo can be found.
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Sorry if this has already been posted but doesn't look good for us gun owners:http://www.examiner.com/article/cali...-control-bills
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Sorry if this has already been posted but doesn't look good for us gun owners:http://www.examiner.com/article/cali...-control-bills
F me, all of that crap majorly sucks. I just assume we can tie all of that up in court?
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Im an optimist so take a look at this
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94T03W20130530
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That's the first good news I have read in months. Thanks for posting this link.
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AHHHH..... Light at the end of the tunnel.


Oh , Wait thats the bullet train coming !


We can only hope.
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After re-reading the proposed SB-374 a number of times I find it curious that it states it will be a crime to violate the provisions of the law but it does not state whether its a felony, misdemeanor or what? Usually laws state the classification of the crime and/or amount of the fine.

Such as: Violation is a felony or misdemeanor punishable by one year in prison and a fine up to $10,000 (or some similiar wording). Maybe its a non-punishable crime, eh??
That will be in a future bill. SB-374 simply lays the groundwork for determining who can be targeted via the new assault weapon definition and associated assault weapon registry...which is so f***in ridiculous in its broadness and encompasses just about any rifle. either way if it passes, the true criminals in sacramento will have determined one thing: the exit date for sane citizens who would rather leave this joke of a state and laugh at the rear view mirror while the peoples republik of kalifornia falls under its own weight. july 1, 2014...
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Hi all, new to Calguns, and wanted to get some feedback. I own an HK 416 .22lr and wonder how this will effect me going forward. I already own it, but I didnt think I needed a bullet button for the .22 stuff. Am I ok since it was purchased before 2014 and I just need to register it then?
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You will have to register it as an assault weapon to be totally legal. Don't be in a rush to do that. The last assault weapons ban that was in California had a couple of little twists to it. If I remember correctly, You gave permission of the DOJ to come in your home anytime without warning to inspect your guns. Kind of like what happens if your an FFL.
We will just have to wait until Jerry Brown signs it.
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After re-reading the proposed SB-374 a number of times I find it curious that it states it will be a crime to violate the provisions of the law but it does not state whether its a felony, misdemeanor or what? Usually laws state the classification of the crime and/or amount of the fine.

Such as: Violation is a felony or misdemeanor punishable by one year in prison and a fine up to $10,000 (or some similiar wording). Maybe its a non-punishable crime, eh??
This state can't keep violent criminals in prison with AB109.
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After re-reading the proposed SB-374 a number of times I find it curious that it states it will be a crime to violate the provisions of the law but it does not state whether its a felony, misdemeanor or what? Usually laws state the classification of the crime and/or amount of the fine.

Such as: Violation is a felony or misdemeanor punishable by one year in prison and a fine up to $10,000 (or some similiar wording). Maybe its a non-punishable crime, eh??
I suspect its a combination of selective enforcement and the foreknowledge that a lot of good people will get caught for violating this law.

We are all aware that there are many 22 semi-auto mag fed guns around in peoples home. Most are used to teach kids how to shoot. If the parent is a Dem and gets caught it might just be confiscation and a minor infraction, if they are a Repub or have many firearms....well you get the idea.

What better way to disenfranchise voters than to take the opposition, throw a felony at them and forever deny their right to bear arms or to vote?

If it seems mad, its because I spent wayyyyy to many years seeing how Commies operated in labor unions and other organizations. We are now run by many of the same.
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so what is stopping a company from making a plate that goes over the magazine lets say for a 10/22 that is "not removeable"
Because these new laws would rule out the use of a bullet button of some type....

And a 10/22 doesnt have an upper/lower half. You would actually have to remove the barrelled action from the stock to top load it.

I guess you're about the 3% of gun owners that doesnt own a 10/22?
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Because these new laws would rule out the use of a bullet button of some type....

And a 10/22 doesnt have an upper/lower half. You would actually have to remove the barrelled action from the stock to top load it.

I guess you're about the 3% of gun owners that doesnt own a 10/22?
Us other 3% own 795's
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Us other 3% own 795's
Lest we forget, some of us (??%) own the venerable Marlin 60. More sold than all other semi-auto .22lr put together. Just couldn't resist
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Another sad part about this possible ban is Youth ownership isn't possible. The way I understand it is IF this passes:

- Legally, if kept in state, the 10/22 would have to be registered as an AW.
- AWs (the previously registered ones here in California) cannot be registered to anyone under the age of 18.
- So essentially if any of your kids own a 10/22 and will not be 18 by July 1 2014, they will not be able to continue to own them (if this passes).
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