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Old 08-24-2016, 11:35 AM
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Smile do you ever practice for a SHTF / disaster scenario?

If your going to be prepared for a natural disaster / SHTF situation, then it's probably not a bad idea to actually do some field training / survival training so you know what to do in case it ever does happen.

having supplies is just part of it, your going to have to know how to use it, test it, know the alternate escape routes, back roads, lines of communication in case the internet / phone service goes down, and also having enough cash in case the credit card service goes down when the power goes out.

you should try to use your rations before they expire and get fresh replacements, every so often, since food does go bad

also something a lot of people forget is to make sure your spare tire has enough air, lots of people have a flat spare tire because they never check it.
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We live where doing stuff for yourself is how it gets done. We went thru a huge fire last year and did just fine.

Our biggest problem was getting the family to where they were needed. They were able to get home even though they had the roads closed, at least the ones the gooberment had jurisdiction over.

We practice staying put. We are not leaving.
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Yeah I tried to practice. Took wife and kids up to our remote location with 2 backpacks of food tents etc and half a roll of TP (because wife kept using prep TP instead of going to the store) and told them we needed to rough it for 4 days.

Oh day 3 wife and kids quit and filed for divorce.

TP lasts way longer now.
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Yeah I tried to practice. Took wife and kids up to our remote location with 2 backpacks of food tents etc and half a roll of TP (because wife kept using prep TP instead of going to the store) and told them we needed to rough it for 4 days.

Oh day 3 wife and kids quit and filed for divorce.

TP lasts way longer now.
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Yeah I tried to practice. Took wife and kids up to our remote location with 2 backpacks of food tents etc and half a roll of TP (because wife kept using prep TP instead of going to the store) and told them we needed to rough it for 4 days.

Oh day 3 wife and kids quit and filed for divorce.

TP lasts way longer now.
LOL!

Reminds me of my fam. They think we can load our "circus tent" pots/pans, weeks worth of clothes, sleeping bags, pillows, kitchen sink.

IMHO, No way we will get anywhere by car -nearby freeways/"back roads" will be parking lots.
I have a 2 wheeled game cart and plan on using it for bare min water/food/tarp/1st aid/gun+ammo. ......Will prob need to abandon the bare min stuff and use it to carry whiny wife + kids complaining, they r too tired after couple miles.
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What, actually do and practice what they talk about knowledgeably. Thats a concept.
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Last Friday night about 10 or so I ran out of Gentleman Jack. SHTF until I realized their was more in the pantry.

Seriously though. Take a Friday morning and before you go to work cut the power to your house. Maintain this until 1800 Sunday evening. Take notes, it will suck.
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Last Friday night about 10 or so I ran out of Gentleman Jack. SHTF until I realized their was more in the pantry.

Seriously though. Take a Friday morning and before you go to work cut the power to your house. Maintain this until 1800 Sunday evening. Take notes, it will suck.
Could have been a serious situation there, lucky outcome.

It amazes me that all the internet experts talk about EDC's, BoB's, car kits and the like, but ask them if they have ever used it and you get a blank look. I was military, we used to train, train, train, then go on exercise to practice the training, streamline the practices, procedures and kit. That way when we went to war we were in a situation that we knew what we had and what we did actually worked.

My personal favourite is: I have a car kit and I live 8, 10, 12, whatever miles away from my office. When was the last time they walked even one mile, know which socks and boots are best for their feet and how their kit selection will cope with the stroll home?

Still, on the positive side, it's all more gear for me to simply gather up on 'the day' rather than having to buy it now.
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From one brother to another(still active), thank you for your service and I couldn't agree more. Cutting the power is about as easy of a scenario as you can try, or say F'it and walk home on Friday and "time" that travel distance.

Good sh#t thanks for sharing.

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Could have been a serious situation there, lucky outcome.

It amazes me that all the internet experts talk about EDC's, BoB's, car kits and the like, but ask them if they have ever used it and you get a blank look. I was military, we used to train, train, train, then go on exercise to practice the training, streamline the practices, procedures and kit. That way when we went to war we were in a situation that we knew what we had and what we did actually worked.

My personal favourite is: I have a car kit and I live 8, 10, 12, whatever miles away from my office. When was the last time they walked even one mile, know which socks and boots are best for their feet and how their kit selection will cope with the stroll home?

Still, on the positive side, it's all more gear for me to simply gather up on 'the day' rather than having to buy it now.
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I agree that everyone should practice the skills but most watch a video and maybe buy a book that'll be read as the emergency occurs and called good. Like buying informational insurance.

Most do not make the time to train at anything that's not job related these days.
The attitude seems to be one of dealing with the problem as it occurs and trying to wing it.
No plans for the "Murphy's Law" situations that we all know will happen.

Somebody else will do the job of defending/rescuing them and they depend on the all powerful cell phone which will magically summon help 24/7 anywhere on the planet.
The govt will assist or the EMS people will rescue them and or arrest the bad man banging down the front door while on the phone with 911 dispatcher.

Training/practice is too much work for most...
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I agree that everyone should practice the skills but most watch a video and maybe buy a book that'll be read as the emergency occurs and called good. Like buying informational insurance.

Most do not make the time to train at anything that's not job related these days.
The attitude seems to be one of dealing with the problem as it occurs and trying to wing it.
No plans for the "Murphy's Law" situations that we all know will happen.

Somebody else will do the job of defending/rescuing them and they depend on the all powerful cell phone which will magically summon help 24/7 anywhere on the planet.
The govt will assist or the EMS people will rescue them and or arrest the bad man banging down the front door while on the phone with 911 dispatcher.

Training/practice is too much work for most...
I remember when I was told that I would be attending a course, a particular milestone of that course is that you demonstrate you can make fire with a fire bow. As soon as this skill is clearly demonstrated you are handed an easier way to repeatedly make fire.

So, knowing this in advance I read, I watched a couple of videos and I read some more........how difficult could it be, right!

For the odd half hour, or hour, here and there, for the next six months, with colleagues chuckling at me I succeeded in producing wisp's of smoke, lots of wisps of smoke. But no fire.

When I went on the course the instructor demo'ed the technique with a fire bow, with a wet fire bow and with a fire stick. He could produce a glowing ember to light a fire in under 30 seconds. Under his instruction I had the technique within two hours and could light a fire within a few minutes.

The difference between "reading comics", or "watching youtube" and being shown and really learning how to do something.

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I plan to bug in.

Practicing right now. Sitting on the couch...waiting...
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Practice at home? Not really. I mean, I practice getting my SD guns out and ready as fast as possible, and I make sure I know where my BOB is, and plan out various ways of getting away from the area if need be. But otherwise, no, I don't "play out" scenarios.

Most of my BOB gear is, not coincidentally, also my backpacking gear... so I suppose I "practice" bugging out each time I go backpacking
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Bugging in is my preference and I am working on improving my intel of my city and county:
  • Gangs
  • Police and fire fighter staffing levels
  • Get home/egress routes including off-street options (railroad tracks, bike trails, etc.)
  • National Guard and military presence
  • Locations of dams (potential flood hazards)
  • Tsunami maps for coastal area
  • Police/Fire/City scanner frequencies
  • CERT organization
  • Detailed street level paper maps
  • Neighbors who are serious about preparing

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As mentioned, camping and backpacking are good ways to practice with your gear and loads of fun as well





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Every day. It's called commuting through the South Bay. If you ever want an idea of what it will be like to bug-out, spend a few hours trying to go the 16 miles from my house to my office. I gave up on any dream of bugging out in any situation short of a massive natural disaster that would make staying impossible.
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For disaster intel gathering there are various alert systems available:

https://ocalert.net

https://www.ubalert.com/

http://www.sms-tsunami-warning.com/

Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA) program

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Three different types of WEA messages : Presidential Alerts, Imminent Threat Alerts (natural disasters or any other situation that poses threat to life or property), and AMBER Alerts (information to help authorities find abducted children).

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AnythingWeather provides severe weather alerting services, via email or mobile phone. Alerts are based on NWS issued watches and warnings etc.

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Every day. It's called commuting through the South Bay. If you ever want an idea of what it will be like to bug-out, spend a few hours trying to go the 16 miles from my house to my office. I gave up on any dream of bugging out in any situation short of a massive natural disaster that would make staying impossible.
In earthquake country these sorts of things would deep six most vehicular bug out plans





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In earthquake country these sorts of things would deep six most vehicular bug out plans
Yup. Given the traffic issues in CA, bugging out by vehicle is just not a viable option in most urban areas. I'd be moving out by foot or, preferably, by bicycle. I commute by bicycle 2 or 3 times a week, year round and do a fair amount of backpacking, so i guess that could count as practice.
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^ Good list, but you should consolidate all the internet resources, since it's really only 1 resource for all practical purposes. Meaning, if 1 of them doesn't work then chances are pretty good that none of the rest work either.

Unlike, say, radio resources, where if one isn't working there might still be others that work fine.
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^ Good list, but you should consolidate all the internet resources, since it's really only 1 resource for all practical purposes. Meaning, if 1 of them doesn't work then chances are pretty good that none of the rest work either.
I don't follow that logic. If I have an Internet connection that goes further than my local provider then I should have connectivity to all functioning sites. That excludes bandwidth or latency issues due to IP traffic flowing along alternate and less capable paths. Either I have the local connection or I don't. I can monitor developments until some catastrophe whacks my local connection or a significant portion of America's Internet backbone.

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