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Smile How do I Start Prepping? Look here!

This thread is a resource for all newbies looking to start into prepping.

For the contributors, please take some time and provide guidance and then reference links rather than just post link after link after link. From a newbie's perspective, providing an experienced perspective in a narrative format goes a lot further to educating them than dropping a library full of reference material will when they are just starting out.

For the readers, let us know if it was helpful to you and what areas you would like to see more info in?


This is all a work in progress. As changes are made to my content, I will post a new date at the bottom and summary of those changes as a type of version control.

Caveat – Your responsible for yourself, not me!
These are my opinions based on my research and learning. I do not have a related PhD nor am I trained in emergency management. I am just a hobbyist sharing my knowledge with no expectation of liability for any actions you take from them. Take it as you will and I hope it helps in some way. I provide no guarantee they will work for you nor should you expect anything below as the absolute truth. All responsibilities and liabilities are yours to own. Do your own research and make your own decisions as they are only yours to make


Introduction – Be Honest With Yourself
Take a breath…calm…calm…now just read...

So you want to start prepping? For what? How long? How much space do you have to work with? What about money? Is your partner with you on it or are you going it alone? What about your friends? Are they like minded? Are you just prepping for yourself or your immediate and distant relatives? What about your neighbors and friends? Are you only interested in having preparations at your home or do you plan to leave immediately? Do you want a get home kit for your vehicle or office? Do you have a bug out location to go to? Do you have supplies there? Will you walk or drive? Do you have kits for both? Can YOU walk there? What about riding a bike with a trailer? A boat? A plane? What are your skills? If you were in charge of a compound with families to look after, would you let yourselves in with your knowledge, skills and preps? Are guns a way of life for you, demon spawn, or a tool? Are you handy? Are you fit (enough)? How much is your life worth? Will you fight for it to your last dying breath or will you take an easier way out if things get really bad. How far would you go to protect yourself, your family, your friends, your neighbors, complete strangers, your preparations, your pet hamster, your home? Are you preparing for a short interruption of services, a complete collapse of society, or somewhere in between? If you don’t know to what degree, how do you plan for the unknown?

I believe many folks today think they would rather die peacefully early on then to have to live “without” in a severe long term event. I am not talking about without movies or internet but rather without a stable food or water supply, no chance of violent death, not being secure, etc. However, I bet if the time came, they would fight tooth and nail to survive and they would (rightly) be willing to do anything to do that. Prepping gives you an edge over that kind of life. It gives you the ability to think about and prepare long before these possible events occur.

So, lots of serious questions and thoughts there! Some of them may make you uncomfortable…ask yourself why and figure it out. If you get into prepping, you will likely ask yourselves all of them at some point. Think about it seriously as it will impact how you move forward and plan.

I won’t go into all the possible scenarios or events that could happen nor the statistical, religious, political causes or conspiracy theories behind them as that is not the point of this thread. Rather I will try and provide general recommendations that you can use and modify as you see fit.


Knowledge – Use Your Brain!
The most important preparation is not water, or food, or a bug out location, or 500 gold pieces but rather knowledge. If you seriously want to be prepared for an emergency you have some reading and research in front of you! I strongly suggest you read before you buy anything or you will be throwing money away as you later realize some of the first things you buy may not have been needed, were not enough, or were not the right ones for your plans.

Take your time and read through the threads. Take lots notes. Make lists. Before buying a book, check out the reviews in the threads and online at book stores.

As your knowledge increases your list(s) will change. Priorities will shift, quantities will change, the quality of items will change, and your commitments will rise and fall. Take your time and don’t feel rushed.

Here is a great book I recommend it to all my friends, family and coworkers that have an interest in being better prepared to survive a calamity; Handbook to Practical Disaster Preparedness for the Family, 3rd Edition - $20.74 - http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Pract.../dp/1475136536 . It is well accepted and was recently updated (May 2012).


Topics – What to think about
I will cover the following topics below (Items in bold to be added later):
  • Mindset
  • Goals
  • Decision Tree
  • Research
  • Lists
  • Water
  • Shelter
  • Food
  • Cooking
  • Sanitation
  • Light
  • First Aid
  • Travel
  • Navigation
  • Communications
  • Power
  • Tools
  • Defense
  • MWR


Mindset <This is some deep think stuff taught to me awhile back that applies to anything you take seriously…so skip it if you just want to get to the fun stuff>
Think about the following steps to integrate a new mindset or instill habits:
Thoughts – think it through, imagine scenarios
Words – write it down, make lists
Actions – do it, do it right
Habits – practice, practice, practice
Reevaluate – be open to new ideas or methods and reevaluate your thoughts. If you find yourself thinking you know best and there is only one way something can be done, you need to keep working on this step

This is a type of lifecycle. You are never complete as there is always growth and new information that may change your plans and preparations.


Goals – What are you trying to accomplish?

Take some time and try to determine what you want to plan for, i.e. what type of an event, how long will you want to be independent, where will you keep your preparations, who will you have preparations for, and to what degree to prepare?

Some examples:
What Type of Event – Earthquake, out of work, power outage, water outage/drought, snow/ice storm, pandemic, financial collapse, war, solar mass ejection/EMP, alien invasion and finally… the zombie apocalypse.
How Long – How long do you think the event(s) will last and how long do you want to provide preparations to survive through it? 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months, restart civilization.
Preparation Location – Will you shelter in place in your home or leave at the first sign of trouble? Will you go to a vacation retreat or relative’s/friend’s home that is more suitable to ride out the event? Will you head to the mountains/forest/lake/coast/island and try and live off the land?
Who Will You Save – Who will you provide substance and protection to? Your partner and children? Distant relatives? Friends? Neighbors? Strangers with worthwhile skills?
To What Degree To Prepare – Will you simply live off what you have in the cupboards already and wait for government/community provided supplies? Will you store; water, food, extra toilet paper? What about first aid supplies, barricade materials, fuel stocks, alternative cooking and heating materials, home defense, seeds to grow your own garden, books on how to live off the land or restart civilization? Will you prepare for the long term loss of power, natural gas, water, and fuel? Will you prepare for the complete collapse of society?

Decision Tree – Helps put all those thoughts and questions in order

Check out the links below to better understand this concept and see how it may be of use to you in efforts with preparation. For me I have a number of events I am prepared for and have set decision points on when to stay or leave the home and where and how to go when I leave. This helps me with planning what goes in an evacuation kit and how much food or water I may take? It also lets my partner quickly understand my somewhat complicated plan.

http://www.wikihow.com/Sample/Decision-Tree
http://www.mindtools.com/dectree.html

NOTE: This is also referred to as a decision flowchart


Research – Read before you start buying stuff

We live in a capitalistic society which means people want to sell you stuff. Your goal is to only buy the stuff you really want or better yet, need, but only buy it one time. Reading through these forums and other forums will expose you to countless stories of people starting out buying the wrong thing at the beginning, only to replace it with the next thing, then the next, and so on. Take your time to read up on the subject before spending the money. The folks selling you the gear want your money so keep that in mind when you start asking for advice. Look for quality items that can serve many purposes or are used not only in an emergency but when camping, hiking or during other activities.


Lists – As you are doing your research, asking your questions, and joining in the forum or your local group discussions, make a list of what you think you need. Then bounce it off some folks in the know. Having this list in the beginning can help you keep track of important things look into or remind you of certain questions to ask.

Once you start buying your gear, create or add it to a gear list. You may want to think about capturing the weight, quality, make and model, category (fire, first aid, food, water, etc.), cost, expiration date, location, etc. Anything that you may want to keep track of.

I have a list of all my camping, emergency, and similar type gear. When I am going on a trip, I pull items from this list so I know what to take. I will know how much it will weight, maybe its value, if any of the items have expired, etc.


Water
FEMA, Red Cross, and other authorities recommend storing one gallon per person per day. So seven gallons is needed for drinking, cooking, and hygiene per person for one week.

Most of the large container stores like BJs, Costco, Sam’s Club, Home Depot, Lowes, etc., offer five gallon stackable jugs of water. Three of these add up to 15 gallons of clean drinkable water that you can keep for at least five years unopened. If you already have a five gallon water dispenser/fountain, than just increase the bottles in your rotation so that you have 15 gallons per person. If you don’t have a dispenser/fountain, you may want to pick up a hand pump.

Having a water filter provides the extra protection should the water become or is known to be contaminated or is otherwise risky to drink. There are counter units that will filter large quantities of water quickly and there are portable filters used for camping that you could take with you if you have to evacuate your home.

If you don’t have a filter, you can use plain unscented, untreated, bleach to treat your water. Instructions are at the end of this guide-list

Pumps for getting water out of large containers like 30 and 55 gallon drums:
Hand Water Pump --> http://www.amazon.com/Gallon-Water-B.../dp/B0014HZU3U
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Water Siphon --> http://www.amazon.com/Super-Siphon-H...d_sim_sbs_hg_4

Water Filters
Large capacity Water Filters
--> http://www.berkeyfilters.com/
--> http://www.katadyn.com/usen/katadyn-...ries-products/
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Portable Water Filters
--> http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-801361...3459859&sr=1-1
--> http://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-Vario-...3459719&sr=1-2

Also remember, water in your water heater and the pipes in the walls are safe to drink. To access the water in the water heater, look for a spigot at the bottom of the tank. To access the water in the pipes, open the faucet or spigot at the highest point in your home to prevent a vacuum lock, then open the lowest spigot in your home. The water should completely drain out of the pipes from the lowest spigot so have clean buckets ready to fill. Each home is different but you should expect one to three gallons in the pipes from the average home.

Water maybe very limited. Don’t simply throw it out. Look into creating a solar still and recycling your dish and wash water. Also, you can use a separate solar still to pull drinkable water from urine…yum

Bleach is a great material you can use to disinfect water. However, liquid bleach has a short life span of around 12 months from bottling. If you want to plan for long term use of bleach, look into calcium hypochlorite which is a powdered chemical that can be used to create a bleach solution which can then be used to disinfect water. Be very careful with using either option as the wrong amounts can cause serious injury, sickness and even death. Here is where the whole RESEARCH aspect comes in and using your head.

Quick summary --> http://survivaltopics.com/better-tha...sinfect-water/

Disinfection Methods and Instructions (from reputable sources)
--> http://phc.amedd.army.mil/phc%20reso...1-008-1004.pdf
--> http://water.epa.gov/aboutow/ogwdw/u...water-2006.pdf
--> http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/pdf/..._Flyer_508.pdf
--> http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_...ies/fs2_19.pdf


Shelter


Food
Storing food requires a bit of understanding and planning. Food is only good for so long before it spoils or loses nutritional value. There are many methods to storing food. You will need to determine what is best for you.

The least expensive method is to simply buy more of what you currently eat and rotate through your supplies. However, if you don’t regularly cook, eat canned goods or items that don’t need to be refrigerated or frozen, this could be a challenge. If you use this method, just keep in mind the refrigerator and freezer may no longer work so you are limited to shelf stables items and you will need to familiarize yourself with how long the various items are good for.

The most expensive option, and the longest lasting, are freeze dried meals. You can save “some” money by purchasing them in bulk. Freeze drying is a process where all the water is drawn out of the food while leaving the flavor and nutrients in. The food is left much smaller and lighter than the original food and if packaged properly, can generally last up to 30 years. One thing to note, if you buy number 10 cans of food, as soon as you open the can, the food will start the spoiling process from the humidity and oxygen in the air. So once opened, you need to eat all the contents before it goes bad. Each food type spoils at a different rate but the industry generally recommends eating all the food within 30 days of opening it. There is an incredible variety of both prepared meals as well as ingredients. Mountain House is considered by many as the top manufacturer of freeze dried meals.

A couple things to keep in mind:
1. With any pre-packaged kits of food, you need to check on the calorie count. Many of the vendors will sell a pre-assembled kits for periods of time to include; 72 hours, 2 weeks, 45 days, 3 months, 6 months and 1 year for one person or a whole family. However, they don’t always tell you the calories that the kit provides per day. Given a stressful situation, you may want more calories than you normally consume so always keep this in mind
2. Freeze dried food comes in pouches and #10 cans (think large coffee can). The pouches have a life span of 5-7 years. The cans have a lifespan of 25-30 years depending on temperature
3. When you get into the #10 cans, realize that the one can has 10-30 servings per can so you will be eating the same food every day. Once the can is opened you have between 2 and 4 weeks until the food spoils as it is exposed to oxygen and humidity
4. Prepackaged foods tend to have lots of salt in them. Lots of salt means lots of drinking water to flush it out of your system
5. Some prepackaged food such as Freeze Dried requires water to reconstitute into something edible

--> http://www.thereadystore.com/food-st...torage-10-cans

Stored food should be kept in a cool place as warmth can accelerate spoilage while cooler temperatures may slow it down. Garages go through severe temperature swings in the summer and winter that can damage the food. Best place to store food is in a basement or other place inside your home that does not experience high temperatures even with a power loss.

Protect your food from ants, mice, rats and other vermin that may want to eat it more than you do. Keep items off the floor and away from areas with vermin. Check you supplies regularly so you can determine if they have been infested. Think about storing your food in large containers like dog or animal food containers with air tight seals. If you can smell the food, so can vermin.


Cooking
What! Are you going to eat that beef stew or freeze dried chicken parmesan cold…yummy! Depending on the situation you may not have electricity or natural gas for your stove. So how are you going to boil that water for bathing, washing dishes, meal preparation or clean water?

Many of us have grills for the weekend barbecue that you could use though those may be too large and inefficient for long term use. Is your tank full? Have any spares? How much charcoal do you have? Keep in mind a barbecue grill is not very efficient and wastes lots of heat (which equals fuel).

There are more efficient and better long term stoves as well as many options for fueling them such as propane, gasoline, white fuel (Coleman), wood, alcohol, coal, bio-fuel, etc.

You could also use the siphon pump listed in the water section above to siphon gas from a car to run the stove safely. Just don’t use the same siphon for both water and fuel. They are cheap so get two.

Something else to look into are “solar ovens” or “solar cookers” that capture the heat of the sun to cook food. While these are not good at heating water, they can cook food for you albeit slowly. You can either purchase or make one. There are plenty of how-to videos online.

You could always just have a camp fire too. You may want to look up how to suspend a pot over a campfire though.

Take a look at what your cooking needs will be to best determine how you can meet them. Are you cooking for 20 people or just three. Can you get by only heating up a 12 ounce kettle at each meal or do you need something to bring a 30qt cook pot full of water to boil? Can you build a rocket stove in your back yard to make your fires more efficient? What about an oven for baking bread?

Rocket Stove --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDYUrVHPWc and http://www.thediyworld.com/DIY-Rocke...e-Your-Own.php
Readymade Rocket Stove - http://stovetecstore.net/
Adobe Oven --> http://www.sunset.com/garden/how-to-...-oven/view-all
Earth Oven --> http://www.permaculture.co.uk/articl...ing-earth-oven
Stove (small) --> http://www.amazon.com/gp/B0009PUQAU
Stove (large) --> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUPX8
Dakota Fire Hole --> http://survivaltopics.com/the-dakota-fire-hole/
Campfire Pot Hangars --> https://www.google.com/search?q=camp...anger&tbm=isch


Sanitation
Light
First Aid
Travel
Navigation
Communications
Tools
Defense
MWR


March 23 2015 - Version – 0.02 – Added Research, Lists, Water, Food and Cooking
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An annotated list of thread links ...

First Aid Kits - this is a sticky in this forum.

Bug Out Bag - this is a sticky in this forum.
Definition: "A bug-out bag is a portable kit that contains the items one would require to survive for seventy-two hours when evacuating from a disaster. The focus is on evacuation, rather than long-term survival, distinguishing the bug-out bag from a survival kit, a boating or aviation emergency kit, or a fixed-site disaster supplies kit. "

Distinguished from a Get Home Bag (GHB) "Simply put: it’s a bag that you keep at your workplace [or in a vehicle - DeanW66], filled with all the gear you need to get you home safely to your family.

A Get Home Bag is not meant to be a Bug Out Bag (or Bail Out Bag). You won’t be required to live off what’s in your back for a few days (unless walking back home really is a 3 day journey).
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Good idea.


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I am also going to add links to items I have, or will be getting for my BOB


A great portable water filter. Better then lifestraw
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FA2...&pi=SX200_QL40

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Now if we could only make the newbs read before posting!

http://www.thehomeforsurvival.com/do...ival-prepping/

http://graywolfsurvival.com/1779/pre...e-ideas-start/

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Distinguished from a Get Home Bag (GHB) "Simply put: it’s a bag that you keep at your workplace or in a vehicle, filled with all the gear you need to get you home safely to your family.
May I suggest the text in red as a minor definition adjustment?

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A Get Home Bag is not meant to be a Bug Out Bag (or Bail Out Bag). You won’t be required to live off what’s in your back for a few days (unless walking back home really is a 3 day journey).[/indent]
Mine definitely could be.
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May I also suggest adding these links to the list of threads:

Join CERT!

HAM Radio Information


What did you do today to prep?

Body Armor

CHICKENSSS!!!

Where to buy emergency food.

And of lesser importance but often comes up:
SHTF Novel List
SHTF Books (a second thread)


External links:
Here's a good starting guide broken into 52 lists (one for each week of the year) that scratches the surface of just about everything you can imagine.
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Anyone have a favorite thread for water storage/purification?
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needs some more 'meat' (or, if you prefer, TVP ) before stickiness ...
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How to use a compass
http://www.learn-orienteering.org/old/lesson2.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~oa/manual/mapcompass.shtml
http://www.compassdude.com/compass-map-orienting.shtml
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Managing your food supply
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/preps/...ng-and-dating/
https://www.lds.org/topics/food-stor...upply?lang=eng
http://www.thenewsurvivalist.com/lon...val_foods.html
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Start a fire
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos...-without-match
http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/s...art-a-fire.htm
http://graywolfsurvival.com/3137/cre...thout-lighter/
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Water Filtration

Just so many products out now it is amazing.

But allways when in doubt. Boil that water!
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Survival Sanitation
http://offgridsurvival.com/urbansurvivalsanitation/
http://www.practicalsurvivor.com/emergencysanitation
http://tacticalintelligence.net/blog...sanitation.htm
http://tacticalintelligence.net/blog...sanitation.htm

http://www.appropedia.org/How_to_mak...sawdust_toilet

http://www.thenewsurvivalist.com/was...emergency.html
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Calguns own thread on edible plants
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=552845
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Slight reorganization of Posts 1 and 2.

Version 0.02 posted - Added Lists, Research, Water, Food, and Cooking
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Chief Excellent Work! That is well done.
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This is my favorite book on the topic: https://www.amazon.com/How-Survive-E.../dp/0452295831 from James Wesley Rawles of http://survivalblog.com


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How to make soap
http://www.motherearthnews.com/homes...z72jfzfre.aspx

http://www.survival-manual.com/homemade-soap.php


http://www.naturallivingideas.com/10...-soap-recipes/
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Starting to prep takes very little $ and effort.

Grocery stores have many staples that provide multiple uses and are generally cheap to buy and store.

Example:
Multi use household items now/during TEOTWAWKI
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1122509

*I'll condense this down to a single list at some point.
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Something to consider adding to your food storage preps, particularly if you plan to use a large amount of dehydrated foods. Roughage. Many of the dehydrated foods, if used for a few days will tend to cause some constipation. An easy solution, and one that will keep indefinitely, is to stock psyllium seed husk. A large bottle of capsules will last for several weeks and should help solve a potential problem.
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Survival Medicine
https://www.doomandbloom.net
http://theprepperpages.com
http://captaindaves.com/med-faq/

Finding natural med

http://www.wildernesscollege.com/pla...-medicine.html
http://www.mnn.com/your-home/organic...nd-your-garden
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/sur...dicinal-plants
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Calguns Big List of Survival Manuals for Download

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1149910
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Nice bit on the Frontier Diets
http://survivalblog.com/the_frontier_diet_the_proven_h/

The Ancient Tibetan Survival Food
http://www.yowangdu.com/tibetan-food/tsampa.html

Affordable Survival Gear

http://survivalathome.com/survival-gear-on-a-budget/

Of course I say just DIY

The Swagman Pack used but Aussie Swagmen
https://swagmanfever.wordpress.com/2...g-description/

Make Your Own Boots

http://www.offthegridnews.com/how-to...n-you-thought/
http://www.diehardsurvivor.com/make-...urvival-boots/
http://www.bigdiyideas.com/40-mitten...s-crafts-make/


And now for the single most important survival post I have ever made
http://www.mademan.com/mm/how-make-socks.html
http://www.instructables.com/id/Socks/
http://www.theartofdoingstuff.com/how-to-darn-a-sock/
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Possibly the MOST IMPORTANT thing in preps is TO START. I know too many people who tell me they don't have enough extra cash, they don't have time, they don't have room. What they do have is excuses. Do a little bit. The next time you go to the market, buy two gallons of water. The next time you go buy a 1 lb. bag or rice. Next time dried beans. Take little steps. Do it now. Except for water, I believe we can handle things for several months. I only have water for about a month. The minute after a big quake or other bad thing happens is too late. Baby steps folks, take them.
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An annotated list of thread links ...

First Aid Kits - this is a sticky in this forum.

Bug Out Bag - this is a sticky in this forum.
Definition: "A bug-out bag is a portable kit that contains the items one would require to survive for seventy-two hours when evacuating from a disaster. The focus is on evacuation, rather than long-term survival, distinguishing the bug-out bag from a survival kit, a boating or aviation emergency kit, or a fixed-site disaster supplies kit. "

Distinguished from a Get Home Bag (GHB) "Simply put: it’s a bag that you keep at your workplace [or in a vehicle - DeanW66], filled with all the gear you need to get you home safely to your family.

A Get Home Bag is not meant to be a Bug Out Bag (or Bail Out Bag). You won’t be required to live off what’s in your back for a few days (unless walking back home really is a 3 day journey).
I believe many folks today think they would rather die peacefully early on then to have to live “without” in a severe long term event. I am not talking about without movies or internet but rather without a stable food or water supply, no chance of violent death, not being secure, etc. However, I bet if the time came, they would fight tooth and nail to survive and they would (rightly) be willing to do anything to do that. Prepping gives you an edge over that kind of life. It gives you the ability to think about and prepare long before these possible events occur.
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