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Old 05-07-2013, 1:25 PM
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I have a standard BLS trauma bag, c collars, backboard and ambu bags.
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Question? Which brand of butterfly bandage do you recommend?
Just about any ought to work; they work better if you can clean the skin where the adhesive will go. They all fall off after a week or so. One hopes the wound will have closed by then.

No experience with field conditions where cleaning/drying might be difficult; probably some of our wilderness or combat medic folks have informed opinions.

ETA - lots of fascinating first-aid-type web pages come up with a quick look for butterfly bandages, from mountain biking to martial arts to a doctor's 'casual' site, http://www.doctoryourself.com/surgery.html (That page starts "Ever since I got a letter from a woman who wanted instructions for doing her own thoracic surgery by correspondence, I have more truly realized the need for absolute clarity in writing a section like this one." )
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duct tape, a hundred yards of gauze, a squirt bottle, and chlorine tabs.

i do carry a couple gallons of my well water around as well, everywhere.
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When I was in EMT class it was always baby aspirin (chewable). I'll never forget watching a TIA pt. recovering movement in her arm and the doctor saying to me, that's the power of aspirin. She went from no movement in her arm to being able to lift it up and down. I guess I'm using an example of a brain attack not a heart attack but same principal. I'm now a believer in aspirin.
This may be a little off topic. But if someone is suspected of having a stroke (eg., one sided weakness, facial droop, difficulty with speech and other commonly seen chief complaints)
DO NOT give aspirin.
Aspirin or other anti-coagulants should not be given in this scenario until definitive films (read:CT or MRI/MRA) scans have been confirmed by a competent provider.
Strokes (CVAs) can be either Hemorrhagic (a bleed) or ischemic (a clot). If you give a patient aspirin it will have the tendancy to decrease your body's ability to stop a bleed.
Furthermore, if the patient has been determined to be experiencing an ischemic stroke, aspirin would not be indicated as a primary intervention (aspirin is actually not an anti-coagulant or "clot buster" as has been suggested), instead, depending on pt condition and time since last normal, a decision regarding the use of tPA will be considered. Otherwise, it is heparin and wait and hope, or surgery of varying sorts.
Of course, if it is a Heart attack and the pt is complaining of chest pain, Shortness of breath, and radiating pain to jaw, or left arm, then yes, give aspirin.
And if you are not a licensed provider you are safe to do so under the Good Samaritan act.

As for medical bags,
I am a Critical Care Transport Nurse and when I travel it is usually to the desert.
I carry mostly trauma stuff, but yes, I do carry aspirin, and nitroglycerin tablets.
I also carry a bag valve mask (BVM, Ambu-bag to the old folks),NPAs, OPAs, King airway (size3,4,5), splints, an adjustable C-collar, thoracotomy and chest tube setups, Normal saline, flushes and IV equipment, and a few drugs, particularly antihistamines and pain relievers of varying strengths.

Much more, and the list goes on.

For a hunting pack it would consist of some basic lightweight anti-bleed stuff.
Bandages, compression devices, tourniquets, a couple tampons (to fit in the hole), a thoracotomy (hemothorax decompression - think collapsed lung), occlusive dressing, tape, forceps, hemostats, some saline flushes, and maybe a suture kit and scalpel, and that would be about it.

As for NPA and OPA use.
Good luck getting an OPA to stay in a conscious pt. More likely to make the poor sucker throw up. If they don't have a head or facial injury shove that trumpet (NPA) in there nose. It IS NOT primarily for suction. It is an AIRWAY, thus the name ...


If you are with me, and you are jacked up, you will get my care the best that I can. And I will accept liability for what happens instead of watching you die because I am afraid of your lawyer.

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My kit has:
Body fluid barrier kits
4 liter bags of hex (blood volumizer)
4 liter bags saline
4 half liter bags saline
2 FAST1 IO kits
4 tourniquets
Bandages
Tampons
Pads
Diapers
3 cath kits
Chest tube kit
C-Spine braces
Inflatable-casts
Finger splints
Burn dressings
Epi pens
Pharmaceuticals of various types
Tetanus boosters
Wound dressings
Suture kits
Instant heat packs
Instant cold packs
Pen flares
GPS
Radio
And some other goodies for trauma.
It's basically a paramedic/field trauma kit.
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Almost forgot, AED bag.
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Where are some of the places you guys get your supplies?

Besides Walmart, 99 cent stores, Amazon.com and other normal places.
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OTC:
Bisacodyl
Magnesium hydroxide
Loperamide
Diphenhydramine
Loratidine
Lydocaine
Benzocaine
Bismuth salicylate
Calcium carbonate
Cimetidine
Tolnoftate
Clotrimazole
Guaifenesin DM

Lots of sunscreen, gallons of skin lotion

Prescription or pet meds?
Azithromycin
Ciproflaxicin
Metronidazole
Sulfamethoxazole/trimethroprim
Cephalexin
Gentamycin
Ondansetron
Epinepherine
Triamcinolone

First aid is usually followed by second aid and third aid.
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I get a lot of mine from EMT supply places. It's a little more expensive, but you can get hard to find items
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I also have :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1



With :
Elite Large Fully Stocked GI First Aid Kit Contents:

10 5"x9" ABD Pad
2 BleedStop Bandage
1 Multi-Trauma Dressing 12"x30"
1 Universal Splint 36"
1 First Aid Quick Guide
1 Small Flashlight w/Eye Dilation Chart
2 Surgical Blades
1 CPR Mask, Single Use
1 Scissors
2 Surgical Clamps
1 Tweezers
1 Probe
1 Blade Handle
2 Nylon filament suture, 1.5 metric
30 Benzalkonium Chloride Antiseptic Towelettes
15 Iodine Prep Pads, medium
16 Alcohol Prep Pad
1 BleedStop Bandage
1 4.8 oz. Lidocaine Hcl Burn Spray
1 2 oz. Ethyl Alcohol Hand Sanitizer
1 6 oz. Calamine Lotion
1 4 oz. Sterile Saline Eye Wash
5 Rolls Surgical Tape, no length given
2 Tongue Depressors
1 Latex Tourniquet
9 Butterfly Bandages
10 Pad Band-Aids 1.5"x2 5/8"
5 Small Band-Aids
11 Gauze Pads 3"x3"
5 Dressing Sponges 4"x4"
? Surgical Gloves, QTY not labeled
2 Non-Sterile Triangular Bandages 40"x40"x56"
1 Elastic Bandage, 6", Latex Free
2 Pill Bottles, Empty, Childproof Caps
1 Nurse's Stethoscope, Single Head
12 Bandage, Elastic, Rubber Wrap Threads, 2"x4.5 yrds.
2 Multi-Trauma Dressing 12"x30"
2 BleedStop Bandages
31 Benzalkonium Choride Towelettes
6 Sting Relief Alcohol/Lidocaine Swabs
15 Iodine Prep Pads, Medium
16 Alchohol Prep Pads
1 6" Elastic Bandage
100 Cotton Tipped Applicators (Q-Tips)
1 Multi-Trauma Dressing 12"x 30"
4 Instant Ice Compress Packs
120 3/4" Curad Band-Aids
3 Multi-Trauma Dressings 12"x30"

I have each pouch labeled with the contents inside (I arranged them far more logically).

To this I have added:

2 Israeli Battle Dressing
Combat Tourniquet
1L Betadine
SAM Splint
nasopharyngeal airway
200 anti-diarrhea meds
200 antihistamine
500 Ibuprofen
250 Allergy Pills
100 Medi-Lyte tablets
2 QuickClot Trauma Packs (http://www.amazon.com/Adventure-Medi...rds=quick+clot)

I believe I am pretty well set at this point. This is the kit I keep in my car.

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Old 05-25-2013, 5:58 AM
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Same things are in my first aid bag that are in my field trauma bag at work. Besides the Narcotics. It is set up the same way so it will be familiar to me under duress.
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I guess this is the place for this. Trauma Bags, Blowout Kit, IFAK, whatever you want to call them. Post up your individual (No huge medbags, Doc...) Trauma Kit and the contents. Bonus for the injuries you can handle with your kit.





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3 TQs (SOFT-T[W], CAT, SWAT-T)
Prestige 5.5" Shears
NAR Needle-D
HALO Chest Seal (2 ct.)
Quik Clot Gauze
2 H&H Compressed Gauze
Scalpel
NPA
NAR Gloves (2 pair)
Rescue Essentials Control Wrap 4"
A ton of safety pins (not pictured)

Pretty much set up for GSWs, Tension Pneumo, amputations. I can do a Cric with the scalpel and NPA and sutures with the needle-d and safety pins if I had to. Pretty happy with this setup.
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Don't know if you will get alot of replies we just had a thread like this. I posted my 3 kits from small to large.


Nice kit good blow out kit. Why do you have one of each tq?

Do you keep another for common stuff?
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I'd like to know why you have one of each tq also. I see a lot of different opinions regarding the use of a tq. So it just makes me wonder why you have not 1, but 3 in that one small kit.
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There was already a thread like this? I searched for one and didn't see anything. I think med stuff is pretty undervalued, unfortunately. It's not as sexy as shooting. As far as my TQs. I like having at least 2. I go by the saying "Two is one and one is none." The CAT I have from the military, the SOFT-T I bought because it's supposed to work way better than the CAT(it does). I got the SWAT-T because it's cheap, small, and a neat idea. There really isn't much serious debate about TQs anymore. All the FUD about them has been pretty much disproven over the last 12 years.
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Tq debate?

Thought it was settled?

Keeping blood circulating in the body by whatever means is the best.

Only problem I've dealt with is folks not putting them on tight enough, and waffling on the decision to employ them.
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CERT doesn't.even teach us applications with tqs because it is too "controversial" at this time.
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CERT doesn't.even teach us applications with tqs because it is too "controversial" at this time.
Wow, that's really sad. It was controversial 20 years ago. TQs save lives, plain and simple.
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As far as my TQs. I like having at least 2. I go by the saying "Two is one and one is none." The CAT I have from the military, the SOFT-T I bought because it's supposed to work way better than the CAT(it does). I got the SWAT-T because it's cheap, small, and a neat idea.
Sounds good to me. Just seemed like something that would be in a bigger kit is all.

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After much debate I will be going for the Dark Angel Med Kit as opposed to building from scratch. The DA Kits are very compact and practical.
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Why do you say Cat does not work well? The only reports I have seen of them not working was when training samples were given to soldiers after being used a lot in class or the cheap Chinese copy that does such.


I don't care if you like one over the other but I would have 3 of the same if your really want 3.

I prefer the Cat because I have been trained in it and so have my friends. Also all the good reports about it.
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Stethoscope
Pen Light
Tongue Depressors
Bandage tape
Exam Gloves
Baby Wipes
Bandage scissors
Tourniquets
Kelly forceps
Mosquito forceps
Thumb forceps
#15 scalpel blades
2-0 and 3-0 PDS and nylon suture
Olsen Hegar needle drivers
Betadine solution
Chlorhexadine solution
Hydrogen peroxide
Isopropol alcohol
Cotton balls
Gauze squares
Gauze cling wrap
Vetwrap
Band-aids
18g IVC
Liter bags of LRS

Dyphenhydramine
Ibuprofen
Vicodin
Diazepam

Saline solution
Triple antibiotic ointment
Hydrocortosone ointment
Do you have a prescription for these controlled drugs and do you plan on giving them to someone? Just curious.
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Something to consider with the kits also is to periodically check to make sure your stuff is still in working order. Latex deteriorates in the heat and batteries die. I've responded to riots in prison and nothing sucks more than pulling out latex gloves and having them disintegrate on your hands when you're trying to stop someone from bleeding out.
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I would use nitrile and not latex. One is the allergies and two nitrile is mentioned to rip open once cut or punctured this way you know your glove is compromised and you have a possible issue relating to your self.
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Why do you say Cat does not work well? The only reports I have seen of them not working was when training samples were given to soldiers after being used a lot in class or the cheap Chinese copy that does such.


I don't care if you like one over the other but I would have 3 of the same if your really want 3.

I prefer the Cat because I have been trained in it and so have my friends. Also all the good reports about it.
Personally I've had the CAT velcro not stick in muddy and bloody(training) environments. I've also heard anecdotes of the windless and plate breaking after being exposed to heat. It also only applies pressure parallel to the windless. The SOFT-T applies equal pressure around the circumference of the TQ. Finally, it only has a couple inches of tightening for the windless, so you have to get it tight the first time. That's too many negatives for me. I'll be replacing it with another SOFT-T soon. The SWAT-T is cool because I can put it in a pocket and I can use it as a simple compression wrap too.
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Do you have a prescription for these controlled drugs and do you plan on giving them to someone? Just curious.
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Lol 👆 who are you talking too?

I haven't posted anything that's in my bags lol.

I was pointing out that it was a question that was better left unanswered.
Lolz
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delta9. Sorry I quoted you, just continuing the line of thought lol.
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After much debate I will be going for the Dark Angel Med Kit as opposed to building from scratch. The DA Kits are very compact and practical.
I did a bit of research before I got the DARK. The other kit that caught my eye was ITS's Tallboy. Seems like the same basic design concept. I'm pretty sure the DARK holds a bit more, however. Definitely can't go wrong with Dark Angel in general.

+1 for Nitrile over Latex
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I carry in my suv a pretty comprehensive med kit. keep in mind that I am an nremt-paramedic. heres the contents as best as I can remember

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about 20 sets of nitrile gloves
faceshield
goggles
2 gowns
5 n95 respirators

airway
complete opa set
npa set about 7 sizes with surgilube
endo tube set
laryngo set with blades and spare bulb
a few king airways
some lm airways
3 bulb suction syringe

breathing
1 ped non rebreather mask
1 ped nasal cannula
2 adult cannula
2 adult nrb mask
jumbo d size 02 tank
regulator and spare tank key
adult and ped bvm

bleeding
6 5x9 trauma pads
4 cat
h and h bandages
a few ibd
lots of 4x4 and 2x2 gauze

tools
adult and ped bp cuff
stethoscope
pen lights and small streamlight
tweezers
2 scapels # 10 I believe
curved and straight Kelly hemo
magill forcep
glucometer and lancets and strips

drugs
epi auto
epi multidose
atropine
naloxone
activated charcoal suspension
adenosine
amiodarone
aspirin 325 and 81mg
calcium chlor
dextrose
diphenhydramine
glucagon
lidocaine
mag sulfate
nitro spray and tablets
Zofran iv and tabs
sodium bi carb
vasopressin
verapamil
motrin
Tylenol
oral glucose

iv bag
alcohol preps
iv tube sets
lock ext sets
2 1000ml bags 1 ns 1 lr
misc cath about 10
tourniquets
some 4x4 in here as well

I also keep a pre made ob kit

have some other misc stuff like sutures trauma shears tape

I now feel like I should go take apart my bag and when I do I will add pictures
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any feed back on any of these kits? Looking at the 10 person one.
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any feed back on any of these kits? Looking at the 10 person one.
Looks like good for your place of business, but limited

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After much debate I will be going for the Dark Angel Med Kit as opposed to building from scratch. The DA Kits are very compact and practical.
For those who want to learn more about med kits/ifaks and specifically about the thought process behind the DARK Angel Kits, I came across and listened to this podcast:


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Kerry Davis founder of Dark Angel Medical, has been taking care of people more than half of his adult life. Born and raised in Mississippi, he joined the US Air Force in 1991 and trained as a medic, working in an ER, then moving on to special duty with the only Tac Evac unit in the active USAF. In that station he was a flight medic and an Aircrew Training instructor.

That duty station gave Kerry the opportunity to go to the U.S. Army’s Airborne school and work with Airborne units at Pope AFB and Ft. Bragg. After leaving North Carolina, he moved to Maxwell AFB, AL, where he instructed several thousand new Air Force officers at Officer Training School’s Medical Readiness Indoctrination Course at Gunter AFB Annex over a two and a half year period.

Kerry also taught, during his tenure in the USAF, ACLS, PALS, BCLS and Paramedic Cardiology. During that time he worked as a paramedic and after separation from the Air Force, he completed his training and certification as an RN. He has now been in the Critical Care and ER field since 2003. He separated from the Reserves in 2007. He is an avid shooter and has instructed with Magpul Dynamics. Today he is currently an adjunct instructor with SIG Sauer Academy where he teaches weapons manipulation as well as “Bullets and Bandages”.

Kerry joins us today to discuss his simplified lightweight medical kits that are designed to do one thing, save lives. Along with his training program and thoughts on why every prepper needs these skills. The best part of this interview is it led to quite deep discussions including why “treating the whole patient” is important even in critical care situations.
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I carry in my suv a pretty comprehensive med kit. keep in mind that I am an nremt-paramedic. heres the contents as best as I can remember

bsi/ppe
about 20 sets of nitrile gloves
faceshield
goggles
2 gowns
5 n95 respirators

airway
complete opa set
npa set about 7 sizes with surgilube
endo tube set
laryngo set with blades and spare bulb
a few king airways
some lm airways
3 bulb suction syringe

breathing
1 ped non rebreather mask
1 ped nasal cannula
2 adult cannula
2 adult nrb mask
jumbo d size 02 tank
regulator and spare tank key
adult and ped bvm

bleeding
6 5x9 trauma pads
4 cat
h and h bandages
a few ibd
lots of 4x4 and 2x2 gauze

tools
adult and ped bp cuff
stethoscope
pen lights and small streamlight
tweezers
2 scapels # 10 I believe
curved and straight Kelly hemo
magill forcep
glucometer and lancets and strips

drugs
epi auto
epi multidose
atropine
naloxone
activated charcoal suspension
adenosine
amiodarone
aspirin 325 and 81mg
calcium chlor
dextrose
diphenhydramine
glucagon
lidocaine
mag sulfate
nitro spray and tablets
Zofran iv and tabs
sodium bi carb
vasopressin
verapamil
motrin
Tylenol
oral glucose

iv bag
alcohol preps
iv tube sets
lock ext sets
2 1000ml bags 1 ns 1 lr
misc cath about 10
tourniquets
some 4x4 in here as well

I also keep a pre made ob kit

have some other misc stuff like sutures trauma shears tape

I now feel like I should go take apart my bag and when I do I will add pictures
You forgot your Vent/BiPap ...

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Damn dude, you carry more than is in most of my gear at work.

Lots of liability in being a medic running around with all those drugs - how exactly did you get to keep these in your possession? Sounds pretty expensive too.

Just exactly who's orders are you going to be running under? Gonna be some explaining to do if you give some of those drugs and it doesn't work out.
Some of them I wouldn't really want to give to an unmonitored patient (atropine, adenosine, verapamil, amiodarone, Epi, Lido, and so on ...),

And did you buck up for the Laryngoscope kit? That had to be expensive.

I too am A CCT-RN and do ground and Air transport.

I carry a good bit of stuff, but the gowns, D-tanks, and NRBs are a little more than come along with me.

Speaking as an old wilderness trained medic and long time ski patroller (many years ago now), you would be surprised at how little you need to effectively treat someone for typical traumas in the field.
Splinting devices, some airway stuff (basic opa/npa and a BVM will usually do fine)
I am a fan of carrying fluids and lines for access as well to help with hypotensive issues secondary to traumas. As well as using a bigger PIV as a decompression device if indicated.
Compression bandages of some sort, and a tourniquet is not a bad idea.
That said, I am not carrying many of your cardiac drugs as I would not have valid reasoning to use them without cardiac monitoring.
Basic NTG spray and aspirin is about as far as I would go with that one, but that is up to you.

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Again I say WOW, in the holy crap batman sort of way. Just carrying that crap around is daunting.
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[QUOTE=SloChicken;12120710]You forgot your Vent/BiPap ... [QUOTE]

I dunno my Revo is pretty light weight
Might have to sew a quick draw holster for it.
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