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Old 03-25-2013, 8:14 PM
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Default shtf ak47 vs ar15???

So say shtf ,and you can only have one gun AR15 or AK47 and why?
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I have both and love them both but if it truly were a life or death situation, I'd take a high quality AK vs a high quality AR because of AK's reliability first and foremost. Most firefights are withing 200-300 range and you can do more than fine with a HARD hitting AK.
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A F-ing K more reliable and more stopping power....
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Ak of course.
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AK....bigger bullets are better. I fire 154gr SP in mine.

Plus the AK has an unsurpassed reputation for it's ability to keep functioning in the worst situations with only very minimal maint. Usually needs nothing more then a shot of some kind of lubricant (to include motor oil).

Wife (tiny) has a Keltec SU16CA in 5.56 though.
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Ak because its not as finicky and you might have zero supplies in SHTF.

I've seen the Kits that come with the Ar's and the Ak's. Ak is simpler.
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For SHTF, AK all day long...... if you said shooting paper at the range or hunting etc, I prob would say AR.
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Ill go with AR, Im more trained and acustomed to it.
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Best of both worlds (AR & AK) ~ Mini-14
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AR so I can take a bad guy out at 500yrds and go pic up his 700-800 yrd rifle
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No!!! You mean a Daewoo rifle.

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The one you can hit with.

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The one that I have the most ammo for.

AR scoped 20" barrel would be my first choice.
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My AR is Light weight coming in at around 7 Lb with a red dot Sling and BUS. My AK is heavier coming in a 11 lb. My AK mags are also twice as heavy as AR Mags when loaded. So if I am Bugging out My AR is coming with if I am staying Put my AK would be in my hands.
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Enough with the 1960's mythology of the AK. It's sturdy, absolutely... But the AR in modern configuration has been fighting our wars since '64 and other than teething problems its been doing fine. Thousands of NVA, VC, Lebanese, Cubans, Panamanians, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, Somalis, Serbs, Iraquis, Iranians, Syrians, Afghanis, and a whole host of others can attest to its effectiveness. Keep it clean and it'll do the job accurately.
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I love reading these threads so much information from both views.
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aalvidrez, no disrespect, but do you want to put your tricked out modern AR against my plain SLR 101 Arsenal AK? Let's see which one jams first--FTF, FTE or any other failure. If you wanna put some money on it, I am game. 500 rounds at least.

$500 says it will be AR.
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aalvidrez, no disrespect, but do you want to put your tricked out modern AR against my plain SLR 101 Arsenal AK? Let's see which one jams first--FTF, FTE or any other failure. If you wanna put some money on it, I am game. 500 rounds at least.

$500 says it will be AR.
Can I join in with my .22?
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Can I join in with my .22?

I am not messing with a 22, for sure.:-) Got one of those. It eats anything!

Don't get me wrong, I love my ARs, but a workhorse is a workhorse. My AR is reliable, but M1A and AK have never jammed even after firing close to 800 rounds(surplus German and Russian respectively) at a time, knock on wood.
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I would say AK I have 3 different ones
And If i had to pick I think I would take my AMD-65
Foldind stock and the shorter barrel that might come
In handy in city/ building to building combat
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aalvidrez, no disrespect, but do you want to put your tricked out modern AR against my plain SLR 101 Arsenal AK? Let's see which one jams first--FTF, FTE or any other failure. If you wanna put some money on it, I am game. 500 rounds at least.

$500 says it will be AR.
Let's see how many hits on steel at 400 from each???
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AR advantages: weight, range, accuracy, weight of ammo.

AK advantages: reliability, stopping power.

In all reality, 5.56x45 will do just as good a job as 7.62x39, so now we're down to reliability. In a SHTF situation, are you going to be firing 200+ rounds? Not likely, you'll probably be conserving your ammunition as much as humanly possible. IF (I repeat IF) you are in a situation where you're dumping 200+ rounds of ammo, something is seriously wrong, but a clean AR should have no issue firing off a full combat load without interruption of the cycle of operations.

I don't know about you, but I think I'd rather carry the 6-9 lb (depending on your build) and more accurate rifle with more ammo. I guess I'll have to suck up the .25 lb cleaning kit in my pack. If I happen to be enough of a ****bag to let my rifle get dirty enough to jam, I'll tap-rack-bang and clean it at the next available opportunity.

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Let's see how many hits on steel at 400 from each???
With all due respect my terms in the post are simple and I'll stick to them. *Reliability* and not paper punching. If I am to do precision work, I certainly won't rely on 223 or 7.62. Then we are going 338 and .50 and then we are talking more than 1,000 yards.

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I've not had FTF or FTE out of my AR even at 500+ rounds. It's the chrome lining of the bore and barrel. Would I prefer a piston sure but the DI isn't that bad. You can get a piston operated AR. that pretty much makes any argument/comparison mute. I fall back to nearly 50 years of service, longest in US history.

And no I don't trick it out. I'm not tacticool. Never did understand why ARs became a wine and cheese game.
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My SHTF AR is chambered in 6.8 SPC. Better accuracy and power than an AK.

My rapid response vest has a four magazines for the AR a light, 1st gen night vision monocular,knife and a XD40 converted to 357 sig (5" barrel) with three spare magazines. The whole thing cloaked under a wind breaker.
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Honestly not looking to get into a pissing match, or an AK vs AR battle. I hope you can see that... I am not trading my ARs any time soon that's for damn sure. All I am saying is based on my experience and having fired a ton of ammo from BOTH,a good AK is more reliable. That's *all* I am saying. Not more precise, modern, upgradeable, sexier or anything else.
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My SHTF AR is chambered in 6.8 SPC. Better accuracy and power than an AK.

My rapid response vest has a four magazines for the AR a light, 1st gen night vision monocular,knife and a XD40 converted to 357 sig (5" barrel) with three spare magazines. The whole thing cloaked under a wind breaker.
Great. I don't have one of those. How's reliability first and foremost compared to a good AK? I know 6.8 is a hard hitting round, but I am interested in your setup, if you don't mind.
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Best of both worlds (AR & AK) ~ Mini-14
This because no bullet button. In most non TEOTWAWKI scenarios order will be restored at some point and it's no fun to go to prison for a few years as your reward for surviving food riots.
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AR because it's what I know and what works best for me. YMMV. Alternatively I would probably opt for my keltec SU-16 because of it's ability to accept my pre-bans and I wouldn't be all that devastated if it ended up confiscated at the end of a shoot.
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love the AK, but I would have to go with the AR platform for SHTF senario. simply because if i happen to come across some downed military,LEO or civilian they will have both ammo and mags for me. That is also the reason I pick a 9mm as well for side arm.
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If I can only have 1 gun for SHTF, I'm going with my Marlin 795.
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Springfield M1A. works great and stops anything.
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My SHTF AR is chambered in 6.8 SPC. Better accuracy and power than an AK.........and a XD40 converted to 357 sig.......
How are you planning to handle resupply with those relatively uncommon calibers

I agree the 6.8 is much better then the 5.56 (the Rem 30AR is even better tho) but the .357 Sig is a solution to a nonexistent problem.
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love the AK, but I would have to go with the AR platform for SHTF senario. simply because if i happen to come across some downed military,LEO or civilian they will have both ammo and mags for me. That is also the reason I pick a 9mm as well for side arm.
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......In all reality, 5.56x45 will do just as good a job as 7.62x39,.....
If that were true the military wouldn't keep spending millions of dollars upgrading the 5.56 round (55gr, 62gr, 69gr, 77gr and now the non-hollow-point-hollow-point) trying to get 7.62x39 lethality out of the 5.56.

I work daily with Marines and have talked with several that have personal experience with putting a round in the chest of an insurgent that didn't take them out.
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Funny, we never put just "a" round in anyone we are shooting.

I've also known guys who have been shot multiple times with 7.63x39 and continued to fight.

Either round hitting a target in the proper organs will kill or incapacitate.

But yes, it is more likely that if hit by 7.62x39, a target will drop. It's also served from a less accurate platform. Looking at the whole picture, I'll keep the AR.
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The 5.56 round was designed to wound enemies on the battlefield, thus taking out 2 more soldiers to carry him away. 7.62 is just a beast mode killer.

I'm going with the 5.56 personally, it would be far easier to find ammo, parts, etc.. and im comfortable out to 300 yards with iron sights. As long as you keep it clean it will last.
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I think I would have to say ak47 in shtf. AR15 is a precision weapon but in a shtf situation I would rather have a firearm that takes less maintenance. I spoke to a buddy of mine that has seen action in iraq and Afghanistan he picks the ar for a open firefight but he said the ak47 in a closed situation is better due to its penetration ability
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Well, look at the results...
The fans been on and operating at full power for decades through out the world, and it doesnt smell good in those places.
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