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Old 09-20-2014, 10:37 PM
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human paper targets are not allowed? is that right?
i hope it's not true. please fill me in...

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Old 09-21-2014, 3:32 AM
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That's nothing new. I don't think they've ever allowed it.
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Old 09-21-2014, 6:34 AM
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Their range, their rules. No need to name call. Are you talking about Zombie targets? You can shoot sillouette targets there.
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Old 09-21-2014, 7:47 AM
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Full retard? Nice. You're a complete tool.
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Old 09-21-2014, 7:54 AM
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Simple solution. Don't like their rules? Go somewhere else. Don't like anyone's rules? Open your own range.
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Old 09-21-2014, 8:43 AM
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Was there a couple months ago and watched the RSO nicely ask someone to not use a zombie target. No idea what their logic is. Personally, I couldn't care less, never use them. Paper is lame regardless of what is on it........steel is so much more rewarding.

Been there a number of times now and my experience has been positive. Some of the RSOs will sweep my brass my way when they see me picking it up. Another has offered up tips, that I opened the door for. Also did a little family outing there with some non-shooters, RSO pulled a couple ladies aside and offered some pointers with his gun and ammo......treated the group to waters too. YMMV but it is my go to range for pistol.......will likely head across the street for rifle work.
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So no IPSC silhouette targets?
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Old 09-21-2014, 10:29 AM
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Yup. they won't allow zombie targets either...oh well...
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At least they let you shoot from a holster without taking a secret squirrel "certification" class like the new PWG range does.


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So no IPSC silhouette targets?
Silhouette targets are fine....they sell a few different ones, not sure if IPSC specifically.
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Old 09-21-2014, 1:38 PM
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Their range, their rules. No zombie targets is no big deal.

I've seen SDFTC RSOs kick out a group of guys who were "full retard" safety-wise. They take safety very seriously and is far more important than target limits.
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Did the OP go full retard for starting this thread?


Yea, their house, their rules. If you can't handle it, open your own business and tell people they can do whatever they want to. I doubt you'll be open too long.
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Dang zombie targets are stupid anyway. Last time I saw 2 early 20 somethings at P2K shocking one at 5yds with a rental AR. The one dude was shooting and the other guy behind him was laughing like Beavis and screaming "YEAH! KILL THAT EFFING ZOMBIE! YEAH! YEAHHH!" I packed up and left.
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Iron Sites still sells Zombie Industries targets. Except for the Obama Zombie. I found out when I brought one in that I had bought from them a few months before. They let me shoot it but said they stopped selling them to avoid 'problems', whatever those are.

I do enjoy shooting the Obama Zombie. The ears are extra targets.
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OP be lucky that they let you shoot at all. SDFTC changes their minds about the rules as often as most people change their socks. Be careful about your opinions when you go in there, because if you extrude confidence they don't like that and tend to talk about you in an ill manner. Don't ever raise your voice in there or they will call one of the many active SDSO's to quell your rebellious nature. Remember they are all retired SDSO's so they are not common civcriminals as they are above the laws that they were once sworn to uphold and abuse.
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What is SDFTC?
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Old 09-22-2014, 6:55 PM
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An indoor range in Poway.
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OP be lucky that they let you shoot at all. SDFTC changes their minds about the rules as often as most people change their socks. Be careful about your opinions when you go in there, because if you extrude confidence they don't like that and tend to talk about you in an ill manner. Don't ever raise your voice in there or they will call one of the many active SDSO's to quell your rebellious nature. Remember they are all retired SDSO's so they are not common civcriminals as they are above the laws that they were once sworn to uphold and abuse.
Since you want to keep talking smack about SDFTC, why don't you explain WHY you only worked there a week and were fired. Either tell the truth or I will. Your arguments hold NO credibility based off the reasons for your quick termination. No, I don't work there but I remember. I've been a member there since the day they opened.

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OP be lucky that they let you shoot at all. SDFTC changes their minds about the rules as often as most people change their socks. Be careful about your opinions when you go in there, because if you extrude confidence they don't like that and tend to talk about you in an ill manner. Don't ever raise your voice in there or they will call one of the many active SDSO's to quell your rebellious nature. Remember they are all retired SDSO's so they are not common civcriminals as they are above the laws that they were once sworn to uphold and abuse.
"Your emotions trouble you only in those things which you call yours".
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I've shot there over a month ago and never had any issues with my silhouette target that I brought in. The RO swept my brass to my lane since he noticed that I reload my own. Would I go there again?...you bet.
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Technically, I never worked there. But since you want honesty, lets play the honest game. John Groff didn't want me working there, because he assumed that I had a DOMINANCE issue, what he failed to realize, even after all that time in the SDSO is that CONFIDENCE and DOMINANCE are two very unique traits, that he has neither of. I spent 20 years in the military, so yeah, I have a DOMINANCE issue, I like to know that my opinion and skills will be useful. But all that aside, John Groff didn't want me working there, because I chose to break the law and "discharge" my very silent air rifle (Benjamin Marauder) in my backyard, thus breaking his "law" even though it was always in a safe manner, into 5-4x6 inch boards with 2 layers of 3/4inch MDF behind those at 25 yards. But, all that aside, I have more fun at real gun ranges other than that misconception all you think is a gun range. Watch out for the metal detectors, don't let the other renegade put her hands on you.

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Since you want to keep talking smack about SDFTC, why don't you explain WHY you only worked there a week and were fired. Either tell the truth or I will. Your arguments hold NO credibility based off the reasons for your quick termination. No, I don't work there but I remember. I've been a member there since the day they opened.
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Thanks. Thumbs up!!!

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Where the truth is that your "Confidence & Dominance" issues translated into being a d!ck towards customers & staff and you were kicked out after many complaints. It seems that you reject reality and substitute your own.

Someone with your issues could Never accept blame.
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Since you think you know so much. I never interacted with any customers. I don't know who you think you are talking to, but I never actually clocked any hours in their pipe dream. Nice try though, good point of making yourself look bad.
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Yup. Just like Obama. Gotta blame others. Never your own fault.
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I've been going to SDFTC for a few months. Everyone in there has always been cool to me. The RSO 's have always been nice and from what I've seen if you are acting in a safe manner you probably wouldn't notice they are there.

I also did 20 years in the military. Maybe its YOU that is the problem?
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Thanks. Thumbs up!!!
thats acually an insult. for you sir, are a narcissist and a very large butt hole of the highest order.
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Gentlemen,
Since my name and business have been put in question by this posting, I feel I should clarify some issues raised here. I am John Groff of the San Diego Firearms Training Center . Our range was built to teach safe and responsible firearms ownership. Our goal is to introduce new shooters to our sport and to make available a safe venue to experienced shooters.
I presently offer 5 different silhouette targets similar to those used in law enforcement training. I reserve the right to approve targets on this range due to my diverse clientele which includes children and first time shooters. I believe the practice and shooting skills gained during that practice should not have the distraction of grisly targets used by a neighboring shooter. Your practice should be of value when you shoot. I allow outside targets within those restrictions. My goal is to train the next generation of shooters and voters, and my restrictions are centered on the ability of the public to bring their sons, daughters and wives into this facility and feel safe doing so. If those restrictions bother some, I am willing to discuss them, with the underlying goals as the framework for that discussion. But,will make the final determination.

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I do not wish to use this forum as an advertisement but I do wish to invite those that doubt what I offer to come in and make their own assessment. Please remember, you cannot please everyone.

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Does SDFTC let you shoot aluminum cased ammunition?
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Aluminum cased, Yes.

Steel cased/steel core, No
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All handgun ammo as long as it has no steel core penetrator or other endangering issues on an indoor range. I don't know of anything odd like that but I have found that I haven't seen everything ever produced.
Rifle to 308. No penetrator, steel core. Larger caliber, talk to me. No black powder due to the Fire Department. Sorry.
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Thanks for the info John. I have yet to check out your range since I first went and was not allowed to shoot FMJ 7.62 but I will definitely try again with my pistol.
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Over the last several months, have enjoyed multiple opportunities to shoot within the SDFTC facilities. I'm an active USPSA participant and have been able to use these facilities to teach new shooters basic skills (drawing, shooting, and re-holstering) for their entry into USPSA shooting. From my experiences, a key to having a successful day of shooting is to simply be respectful of everyone around you. For example, prior to teaching a very new shooter how to safely draw from a holster -- I first discussed my plans with the RO to ensure that he was comfortable with my intentions. Once the RO was comfortable, we were able to accomplish the desired training and this new shooter was able to enjoy a very successful USPSA match and is now a very enthusiastic participant in shooting sports.

During each of my visits to SDFTC the staff has consistently proven to be both courteous and supportive. John, appreciate your professional staff and the services that you provide. Thank you.
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Thank you,
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SDFTC - John Groff sounds very reasonable. His shop/his rules...no problem

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Is 30.06 allowed at SDFTC?
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Here's a list of approved calibers.

http://www.sandiegofirearms.com/#!allowed-ammo/cl17
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Talk to me.




I will allow so larger stuff on occasion.




I made the rule due to muzzle energy which usually indicates muzzle blast and discomfort to other shooters. talk to me.
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I'm still trying to figure out what is meant by the renegade putting her hands on someone and metal detectors? I think I visited this range once a long time ago I'm not local but it seemed OK.
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