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Old 04-24-2013, 9:18 AM
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http://www.france24.com/en/20130424-...-outside-china

keeps getting worse. What should one do?
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Old 04-24-2013, 9:43 AM
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Shoot the birds in dont let any more immigrants come in the country. Sounds like problem solved to me.
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Old 04-24-2013, 9:59 AM
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SUPER TONIC it worked during the first plague don't see why it shouldn't work again. Make your own or buy from Dr. Schulze. I'm going to marinade a steak in it one of these days
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Stay home and consume stockpiled goods until the plague plays itself out. Alternately, bug out to a remote mountain lair and consume stockpiled goods or live off the land until the plague plays itself out.

The trick, as usual, is knowing when to bug in (or bug out). It's probably best to keep going to work when the flu jumps to America. Chances are you won't be the first in your county or your city to get the flu. Be sure to wash your hands often, take plenty of Airborn, etc. So...at what point DO you call in sick and hunker down? My guess is even most preppers will wait until it's too late, due to our "normalcy bias."
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:10 AM
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Stay home and consume stockpiled goods until the plague plays itself out. Alternately, bug out to a remote mountain lair and consume stockpiled goods or live off the land until the plague plays itself out.

The trick, as usual, is knowing when to bug in (or bug out). It's probably best to keep going to work when the flu jumps to America. Chances are you won't be the first in your county or your city to get the flu. Be sure to wash your hands often, take plenty of Airborn, etc. So...at what point DO you call in sick and hunker down? My guess is even most preppers will wait until it's too late, due to our "normalcy bias."
I heard on MSM while back that airborne was sued and were proven to be fake and have no effects to what they were claiming.

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this sounds like the movie Contagion. at what point do people stop going to work?

and when do we stop paying bills since you can't be at work?

does the government freeze all debts that citizens owe in a time of crisis like that?

that is what i thought when i saw the movie is how are people paying bills when it appears so few are even going to work.
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To the OP, don't believe everything you read on the internet. The WHO have not officially mentioned any cases outside of China. Only 108 cases have been confirmed with zero human to human contact cases. 22 people have died.

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Stay well fed and hydrated and calm. Malnutrition, dehydration and emotional/metabolic stress all increase one's vulnerability to infectious agents. Opportunistic bacteria love to pile onto a virus-weakened individual so it might not be a bad idea to stock up on the correct antibiotics if things look like they're gonna get ugly. If there is a real viral threat, Vitamin C at stupid high doses, to the point where you want to puke your guts out has been advocated by some. Chlorine dioxide with citric acid to activate it has been put forth by others but beware of dosing and side effects. Both are highly unconventional and I'd not try them unless things get super scary.

I'll show up and do my job until 51% of the population doesn't. Then I go home, lock the gate and ride things out.

I don't worry about pandemics anymore. It seems that war and malnutrition have to weaken a population first. We ain't there yet.
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The Chinese Communist expansion has already infiltrated most ranking government Democrats especially...

Oh, you meant the Bird Flu... Chicken soup, same treatment as SARS for me. What else can you do? N95 masks? Hepa (sp?) masks?

If we get it in our area, then lock-up tight (if nobody is infected in the home?), and wait it out?

If it is our time, then it is our time, and it could end cut the population down a bit, hopeful for those who do drugs, as they probably have weakened immune systems. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Cartels laced some drugs they are importing WITH some deadly toxin of virus so La Raza ("Feminine race"? after giving up their native tongue...) could take over what others built with weakened defenses...
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You might want to understand that living conditions in much of China is primitive beyond belief---a large part of the population doesn't even have toilets---they just shiit in the field. They often share their personal space with their animals/birds---much easier to pick-up bugs from the livestock. There will always be some new bug thats after mankind---thats just nature. Stay informed...
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Frankly - there is nothing you can realistically do. The way things spread so quickly now, you'd have to bug in at the first sign of cases here in the US and stay bugged in for months. Most people just can't do that. They HAVE to go to work and THAT is when you will catch it.
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I think they just over stated their worth. I'm sold on zinc tablets (much less expensive ) when there is a sign of a cold.

As for this flu, it doesn't bug me yet. I watch it like I do the Fed. Both have great potential harm.


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Does not look good! http://www.france24.com/en/20130428-...-h7n9-bird-flu
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Adaptation is a key tenet of nature and evolution. As viruses from other organisms make a jump to humans, the human organism also adapts and evolves to defend itself, it doesn't stay static. Other counter processes from other organisms also jump into the fray to maintain the natural balance. Yes, it takes time and humans have to have exposure to stimulate the adaptation, but it is these processes that makes virulence of these invaders self-limiting. It is prudent to do what we can to protect in the immediate term but we must keep perspective and keep in mind that no one organism will be unstoppable and kill all of us in one time period.
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Many people stand by oil of oregano as a natural way to fight viral infections. I have tried airborne/cold eeze zinc based "nutritional supplements" but as mentioned above you have to start taking that stuff when you feel the illness taking hold for it to be most effective.

There is always the tried and true preventative of frequent washing of hands and trying not to touch your nose or eyes while outside your home.
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By the time they announce that a pandemic is underway, it will be too late to completely avoid it. But you can't go running to the hills every time they announce a new strain of bird flu. Once an actual pandemic is announced, tons of people will be attempting to leave the big cities. Those who stay, and keep going to work, going out to stores, etc, are going to be the ones who catch it. You have to bug in, and avoid any contact with people, until there is a vaccine. The big concern will be if truck drivers, delivering food from the midwest, are afraid to drive into the major cities. If that happens, you will have food riots, and people breaking into their neighbor's houses looking for food. That's when you need weapons to defend yourself. There might be some army or national guard presence, but things will probably still be pretty unlawful. But it's really about waiting for the government to develop a vaccine. But that sometimes takes up to 6 months. Hopefully the water supply will remain good, so it's mostly about making sure you have adequate food.
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My plan is to fly to China, Get the flu then fly back home. That way when the plague gets here I can give it the middle finger and say "Ha ha I already have you bet you feel stupid now huh"?
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My plan is to fly to China, Get the flu then fly back home. That way when the plague gets here I can give it the middle finger and say "Ha ha I already have you bet you feel stupid now huh"?
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Oil of oreganao as mention before is great for chest colds and there is already internet talk of this helping with this since it is not super deadly just dangerouse. With that said a nobel prize winner fouund that virus' cant survive in an alkaline enviornment so if you balance your bodys ph to be more alkaline you can be almost immune to any virus. A final though is how the good old boys here at the CDC and the Army Biologcal Warfare have been tinkering with the bird flu for a while to produce a super strain anyways to have a "cure" for it already (false flag). So dont worry about it and be health and good sanitation before hand and you should be fine untile Uncle Sam realeases the real biological threat
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this sounds like the movie Contagion. at what point do people stop going to work?

and when do we stop paying bills since you can't be at work?

does the government freeze all debts that citizens owe in a time of crisis like that?

that is what i thought when i saw the movie is how are people paying bills when it appears so few are even going to work.
The other thing I had wondered is if the SHTF and since I'm renting a house, what happens if the owner wanted his house back for his other family member or friend? Would my family and I be out on the street?

That's a huge concern of mine.
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The other thing I had wondered is if the SHTF and since I'm renting a house, what happens if the owner wanted his house back for his other family member or friend? Would my family and I be out on the street?

That's a huge concern of mine.
Well legally, no they couldnt do that unless you were going month to month and/or your lease just ended and they wouldnt renew. Of course if you werent paying your rent (been bugged in for 6 months without a paycheck and you still need to pay rent) they might try to evict you, but I think at that point it would be hard to convince the sheriff (if there is even one around at that point) to do so.

That said, if they tried to force you out on their own...then its a different story and lines need to be drawn. Something you need to think about. I personally wouldn't see this any differently than someone trying to come in my home to steal my food, water, etc.
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Don't worry, it's all a conspiracy to reduce the population of china by its own government. Our government will probably accidentally release a superbug due to incompetence.
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There is no happy ending.

You either get it and survive or hide until a miracle drug is found.

The idea that you can shut yourself in and eventually come out with no ill effect is unrealistic. Survivors will carry the pathogen and it won't just disappear.
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A pandemic is a SHTF situation that might be reversed. In the sense that scientists may indeed make a vaccine, but it might take 6 months for it to be completed. So the whole point is being able to bug in, or have masks, goggles, and other ways to protect yourself when you have to go out to access food or water. Ideally there would still be some level of government support, in terms of troops for security, food drops, etc. It has the potential to deteriorate into a total state of anarchy, but even if it does, many people will try to maintain some sense of order. Obviously, the longer it takes for a vaccine, the more chance that people in cities will run out of food or water, and start looking or raiding. But there is the possibility that the pandemic could be cured at some point, and life can go back to some form of normalcy. A pandemic isn't likely to wipe out everyone. It will wipe out maybe 10% or 20%. Which is still hundreds of millions of people, but there will still be plenty of smart humans left to keep the powerplants running, keep the water supply functional, etc. You just have to have enough supplies to ride things out while they work on a vaccine.
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