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Default CMMG just announced no sales to LE in ban states

about an hour ago on the FB page.

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Oh this is getting good. Hopefully we start seeing some of the bigger manufacturers join in
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We really need a landslide of manufactures and distributors to be on board to make this effective. I do however like the support. Thank you all!
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We need the big guys to do this too... dont think glock will jump ina since their not US based. Dont know if SW jumped in either...
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Most companies that are publicly traded will probably say FU.
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Most companies that are publicly traded will probably say FU.
In this war, sides must be taken. I've noticed public companies like amazon have taken their side with the antis. it would be a cop out for a publicly traded gun company to use "their duty to the shareholders" to avoid taking a side. I'm sure a sharholder outcry to get on the right side of the issue would break though the noise.
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Most companies that are publicly traded will probably say FU.
Probably true. My question would be... companies such as S&W, Glock, Sig, H&K, etc..... what percentage of their American sales from government contracts vs civilian purchases?

If the answer is that civilian sales are higher, then can companies choosing the government contracts over civilian sales would be bad for the company in the end. Stockholders only want the bottomline... "what makes us more money!"
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Another to add to the "buy" list.

Perhaps we should try to put a boycott together of any company that DOESN'T join in?
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And so the list continues.... Nicely done CMMG!!!
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We need the big guys to do this too... dont think glock will jump ina since their not US based. Dont know if SW jumped in either...
Glock makes a premium on non LEO sales. They should have a stake in this.
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So what companies have done this so far? I want to make a list and purchase from those companies
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right on! I've recently ordered an M10 mid-length upper from them (available for back order). Hope it comes sooon!
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Probably true. My question would be... companies such as S&W, Glock, Sig, H&K, etc..... what percentage of their American sales from government contracts vs civilian purchases?

If the answer is that civilian sales are higher, then can companies choosing the government contracts over civilian sales would be bad for the company in the end. Stockholders only want the bottomline... "what makes us more money!"
I've heard, from Knesek guns, that HK is trying to stop sales to civilian...if true, this is unfortunate, cuz i'm an HK fan. Hope this isn't true. been looking for the HK45CT for ages...
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for CMMG.

Now, that's a company that I'll support more, I feel good now for buying CMMG products.
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BCM too, it's on their home page

The people at Bravo Company USA and BCM support responsible private individuals having access to the same tools of civilian Law Enforcement to affect the same ends. Securing and defending ourselves, our loved ones and innocent people if the situation arises. As such Bravo Company's policy is that law enforcement officials and departments will be restricted to the same type of products available to responsible private individuals of that same city or state.
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So what companies have done this so far? I want to make a list and purchase from those companies
there is a link on drudge " the police loophole" website has a list of 34 companies so far
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this is soo awesome
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Cutting off foreign aid to EVERY country and dismantling the police/surveillance state!

Umm yeah!!!!!
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My AR in progress is going to be all CMMG, that's awesome. Now if I can just get the stuff I've ordered it'll be gravy.
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This is a great trend... Keep it going. We need big support from all gun related companies... Hit them where it hurts or we are all going down...
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This is great but people we have a problem. The big three gun makers are not on board but worst off of the now 35-40 companies taking a stand as I understand it none of them are ammunition manufacturers!

All these companies hold more power than they realize in this debate but the ammo makers hold the keys to the entire thing.

We need the ammo makers to get on board asap.

Do whatever you can to encourage them to say no to local state and federal agencies. Guns in the hands of govt or people are useless without the ammo!!

We need to take this fight fire with fire attitude to a new level and Fight Fire With "Nukes"
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http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn...agencies-areas

The article referencing that there are 34 companies involved.
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We need major ammo makers, Colt, Glock, Remington and Smith & Wesson. More importantly, they absolutely need us. There may come a tipping point where the big companies will have to choose. Companies who only do business with the government are in a very precarious position.

If holdout companies discover that the population will shun their products in favor of the many, many other quality manufacturers, we will see changes. Corporations are responsible top their shareholders. Business is business.

This is a brilliant approach.

If, say, Glock (as a hypothetical example) held out, imagine if people starting dumping their used Glocks for 50 cents on the dollar and ceased buying new Glocks. With a glut of Glocks it would drive down the price of Glocks and their sales and stock would plummet. If push comes to shove, I would do it.

I could be very happy with an M&P or an XD Or vice versa if the tables were turned. Hell, I could build a double stack 1911 and call it a day.
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Very nice.Dammit glock,sig, s&w come and join the party already.
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http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/

New York Boycott Participants:

LaRue Tactical 2-8-13
Olympic Arms 2-12-13
Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC (Per EFI, policy is several years old)
Templar Custom 2-13-13
York Arms 2-13-13
Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13
Bullwater Enterprises 2-16-13
West Fork Armory 2-16-13
Smith Enterprise 2-17-13
Alex Arms 2-17-13
Spike’s Tactical 2-18-13
Quality Arms Idaho 2-19-13
Liberty Suppressors 2-19-13
Doublestar Corp 2-19-13
American Spirit Arms 2-19-13 (complete with a video!)
Trident Armory 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)
Head Down Products 2-20-13
J&G Sales 2-20-13
Barrett Firearms 2-20-13
Exile Machine 2-20-13
Tier One Arms 2-15-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)
Bravo Company USA 2-20-13
Primary Weapons Systems 2-21-13 (read my blog post on PWS)
Crusader Weaponry 2-20-13
Top Gun Supply 2-21-13
Kiss Tactical 2-21-13
Clark Fork Tactical 2-21-13
OFA Tactical 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-21-13)
One Source Tactical 2-21-13 (Scroll down to shipping restrictions)
Templar Tactical Arms 2-12-13 (reported 2-21-13)
NEMO Arms 2-21-13 (check out their photo!)
Old Grouch’s Military Surplus 1-15-13 (NOT a typo!)
Big Horn Armory 2-22-13
Midway USA 2-22-13
CMMG Inc 2-22-13
Rocky Top Tactical 2-22-13
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I was just looking at a CMMG LPK
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everyday the list grows. and everyday we get stronger.
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Love seeing this!
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This sounds good, in theory! Maybe it'll turn more police agencies against legislature.
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The next step for this is the NRA to make this an issue and support it. I know they take alot of $ from gun companies but if they are truly for 2A rights for the people, they should jump on without hesitation.
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We need major ammo makers, Colt, Glock, Remington and Smith & Wesson. More importantly, they absolutely need us. There may come a tipping point where the big companies will have to choose. Companies who only do business with the government are in a very precarious position.

If holdout companies discover that the population will shun their products in favor of the many, many other quality manufacturers, we will see changes. Corporations are responsible top their shareholders. Business is business.

This is a brilliant approach.

If, say, Glock (as a hypothetical example) held out, imagine if people starting dumping their used Glocks for 50 cents on the dollar and ceased buying new Glocks. With a glut of Glocks it would drive down the price of Glocks and their sales and stock would plummet. If push comes to shove, I would do it.

I could be very happy with an M&P or an XD Or vice versa if the tables were turned. Hell, I could build a double stack 1911 and call it a day.
Me too.

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I've heard, from Knesek guns, that HK is trying to stop sales to civilian...if true, this is unfortunate, cuz i'm an HK fan. Hope this isn't true. been looking for the HK45CT for ages...
This isn't true. In fact the only company that actively lobbied against the 1990 import ban was HK. They love U.S. shooters but because of current laws their hands are tied. Now I would guess they are almost solely supported by government sales.
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The NSSF would be a bigger impact since they are the organization the truly represents firearms manufacturers. The NRA does get some money from companies but individual/private donors are the bulk of their fundraising. Still NRA would be good too.

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The next step for this is the NRA to make this an issue and support it. I know they take alot of $ from gun companies but if they are truly for 2A rights for the people, they should jump on without hesitation.
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Now, that's a company that I'll support more, I feel good now for buying CMMG products.

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In this war, sides must be taken. I've noticed public companies like amazon have taken their side with the antis. it would be a cop out for a publicly traded gun company to use "their duty to the shareholders" to avoid taking a side. I'm sure a sharholder outcry to get on the right side of the issue would break though the noise.
Let's not forget that the anti States and their union masters have been actively and openly divesting from investments related to the arms industry. That alone should have been enough for the big manufacturers to take a stand. Now if their civilian back orders dropped to zero, that would get noticed by the senior management.
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Let's not forget that the anti States and their union masters have been actively and openly divesting from investments related to the arms industry. That alone should have been enough for the big manufacturers to take a stand. Now if their civilian back orders dropped to zero, that would get noticed by the senior management.
There's a couple of dynamics we must consider before labeling a gun company as a bunch of collaborators.

One,contracts are binding agreements,especially between private businesses and government customers.A hypothetical contract S&W signed 2 years ago to sell and support M&P pistols to New York State LEO agencies can't be broken overnight without significant penalties,and probable litigation for breach of contract.

I don't doubt that many more firms would like to boycott anti/gun states and departments,but their hands are tied until their govt. contracts are fulfilled.
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The next step for this is the NRA to make this an issue and support it. I know they take alot of $ from gun companies but if they are truly for 2A rights for the people, they should jump on without hesitation.
I almost think that it's better that it isn't coming from the NRA. This push-back is organic and authentic, and I'd like to see it stay that way. One great aspect of this effort is that it clearly shows that gun manufacturers, contrary to the popular dialogue, are not bloodthirsty, greed-mongers who will do or say anything to make a sale. This is a principaled position that puts its money where its mouth is.
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