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Old 02-19-2013, 12:44 PM
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Default While idiots argue against CCW on college campuses..

a young lady on the UC Santa Cruz campus was beaten and raped Sunday afternoon. Notifications and alerts went out to SOME phones and emails while others never heard a word about it until they read it in the paper or saw it on the news. The girls up there were terrified and some were already out alone and trying to get back to their dorms safely.

I'm thinking maybe a campus demonstration is in order...in support of women on college campuses everywhere. Nothing like an extremely liberal campus protesting against being victims and asking for the right to conceal carry. And yes, I have already put the idea into some heads...lol.
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Any demonstration will more likely be a demand to ban assault penises
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I live off campus now... Free at last.
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The problem is that she didn't have a whistle. That would have fixed everythihng.
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She could have ran to an emergency phone and call security, so a failed would be LEO would get to her driving a golf cart im about 20 minutes.
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See...I'm guessing she forgot all about the many "tools" she already has on hand for just such an emergency. Then again, I have a feeling a demonstration for right to carry on campus might be pretty unexpected for UCSC.
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It'll never happen.

Universities are businesses, and American parents are the customers. College boards restrict campus CCW for many reasons, but the primary one is $.

When someone spends or borrows 30-100k per year to attend schools , they're not buying an education-they're buying an image. If college campuses permit CCW, its tantamount to officially admitting they can't keep their customers' kids safe.

Bye bye $$$. What self respecting wealthy parent is going to send their widdle wones to a school which can't ensure their kids feel safe?
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Pointless. Even if SCOTUS rules in our favor in Kachalsky, and the whole nation is shall-issue, states will be able to dictate time, place and manner restrictions.

Bottom line: CA will always have schools on the list of "sensitive" places. This victim, and many others like her, will never have a chance to protect themselves on any campus in this state, even in our best-case scenario.
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Another student was shot during a robbery too in Santa Cruz.

http://www.mercurynews.com/central-c...during-robbery

It is absurd how our right to being safe and to being able to defend ourselves is second rate to the both the image of a gun free utopia, and the in the case for the city of Santa Cruz to the rights and needs of the homeless, drug users, the drifters and criminal element that goes with them.


I live two blocks from the police department and woke one night a few months to what it sounded like was someone trying to break down my back gate. I grabbed one of my guns and I got my girlfriend and we backed into the bathroom but still were able to listen to hear if whoever it was got through the gate and would try to get through the sliding glass door. We didn't have our phones so I went to grab one and during that time the banging stopped but we called the police anyway on a non emergency line and it took them 10 minutes for a cruiser to drive by.

It very well could have been some drunk college kid, but it also could have been someone very worse. With the response time of the police, the homelessness, the crime levels and gang activity the only thing that would make me feel safe in Santa Cruz are honest and good citizens who are rightfully allowed to carry arms.
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Is this actual Brady Bunch propaganda? I mean I understand that in their twisted logic this poster would be on point for the Brady belief system, but...seriously...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?

Did they actually use this? And if they did, how were they not rightfully crucified over it?
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Please stop posting the Brady Campaign pic, it's been proven it's not a legit banner...lowering ones self to the level of the gun grabbers by creating equally sensationalized banners with half lies just makes "us" look bad.


On a side note, the student handbook guide I read on the UCSC site looks very empty allowing any tools of self defense (firearms, tasers, etc are not allowed)...sadly it looks like just another "gun free" zone where they expect their students to be sheep.
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but they are funny.
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Why didn't she just run to a "safe zone"?
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Why didn't she just run to a "safe zone"?
she would be too out of breath to blow her "rape whistle."
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Pointless. Even if SCOTUS rules in our favor in Kachalsky, and the whole nation is shall-issue, states will be able to dictate time, place and manner restrictions.

Bottom line: CA will always have schools on the list of "sensitive" places. This victim, and many others like her, will never have a chance to protect themselves on any campus in this state, even in our best-case scenario.
I disagree. The supreme court will outline that a real "sensitive" place and the only place you can be unarmed is one with metal detectors and armed security.

there is never a time when an American should be forced to lay down a self defense tool without protection.

airport, courtrooms, federal buildings with security. Those are sensitive places. Open air colleges and schools are not.
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I disagree. The supreme court will outline that a real "sensitive" place and the only place you can be unarmed is one with metal detectors and armed security.

there is never a time when an American should be forced to lay down a self defense tool without protection.

airport, courtrooms, federal buildings with security. Those are sensitive places. Open air colleges and schools are not.
I like your rampant optimism

But I'll bet you a beer, to be paid if one of us ever encounters the other.
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Please stop posting the Brady Campaign pic, it's been proven it's not a legit banner...lowering ones self to the level of the gun grabbers by creating equally sensationalized banners with half lies just makes "us" look bad.


On a side note, the student handbook guide I read on the UCSC site looks very empty allowing any tools of self defense (firearms, tasers, etc are not allowed)...sadly it looks like just another "gun free" zone where they expect their students to be sheep.

The funny part isn't that it is fake, its that they actually posted that to their facebook page. Of course when i want the real story behind something my first stop is facebook...

also on a sidenote i dated a girl who went to UCSC. it just screams of rape. there is a large empty pit that has some sort of housing in the middle... filled with rape i'm sure. also attackers love the woods... and rape
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it's state law that prevents CCW on UC and Cal State campuses.
No idea how this thread got this far with this idea.

If you have a LTC, you can concealed carry on any campus, from preschool to old school.
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a young lady on the UC Santa Cruz campus was beaten and raped Sunday afternoon. Notifications and alerts went out to SOME phones and emails while others never heard a word about it until they read it in the paper or saw it on the news. The girls up there were terrified and some were already out alone and trying to get back to their dorms safely.

I'm thinking maybe a campus demonstration is in order...in support of women on college campuses everywhere. Nothing like an extremely liberal campus protesting against being victims and asking for the right to conceal carry. And yes, I have already put the idea into some heads...lol.
UCSC seems like a *great* place for the SAS to pilot a college outreach program. Of course, only a small minority will be receptive to the message at first, but I'm sure it would get attention. All those "Women's Studies" professors can't talk empowerment and disarmament at the same time. It would be fun to make them stammer a little.
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No idea how this thread got this far with this idea.

If you have a LTC, you can concealed carry on any campus, from preschool to old school.
It's a specific felony to carry on a California university without permission of the President or Head Provost on documented letterhead,CCW or no.


Detailed PC:


The penal code 626.9 Sections (a) & (i):

626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
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(i) Notwithstanding Section 25605, any person who brings or
possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
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http://nakeddc.com/2013/01/03/brady-...-or-something/

Looks like it is in fact fake. I didn't think they'd be that stupid.

Pic was taken from a previous BBC article and shopped.
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It's a specific felony to carry on a California university without permission of the President or Head Provost on documented letterhead,CCW or no.


Detailed PC:


The penal code 626.9 Sections (a) & (i):

626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
...
(i) Notwithstanding Section 25605, any person who brings or
possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.

The way I understand it a person with a LTC is exempt from the GFSZ per this exemption further down

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(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of
Division 5 of Title 4 of Part 6
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in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.
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person, the sheriff of a county may issue a license to that person
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(1) The applicant is of good moral character.
(2) Good cause exists for issuance of the license.
(3) The applicant is a resident of the county or a city within the
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is in the county or a city within the county and the applicant
spends a substantial period of time in that place of employment or
business.
(4) The applicant has completed a course of training as described
in Section 26165.
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either of the following formats:
(1) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(2) Where the population of the county is less than 200,000
persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a
license to carry loaded and exposed in only that county a pistol,
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One of the Brady people, or an 'anti, or a grabber should ask this woman if she is glad that she is merely a victim of RAPE, as opposed to being a MURDERER had she used a gun to defend herself...
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It's a specific felony to carry on a California university without permission of the President or Head Provost on documented letterhead,CCW or no.


Detailed PC:


The penal code 626.9 Sections (a) & (i):

626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
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(i) Notwithstanding Section 25605, any person who brings or
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owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision
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Does UC Santa Cruz have this posted?
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The way I understand it a person with a LTC is exempt from the GFSZ per this exemption further down
I believe you are correct...
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i'm sure this isn't the first not will it be the last.
UOP in stockton was and probably still is a rape factory.
locals and LE know it....unfortunately, the parents paying the big $ don't.
and no one talks about it because they want the parents to keep sending their kids and paying the big $. i'm betting USCS is wishing they could have contained this story.

santa cruz is getting rougher and rougher by the day. and its getting harder for LE and others to keep the word from getting out. it is almost impossible to get a CCW in this county. my guess it will be even harder to get to have a gun on campus.
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i'm sure this isn't the first not will it be the last.
UOP in stockton was and probably still is a rape factory.
locals and LE know it....unfortunately, the parents paying the big $ don't.
and no one talks about it because they want the parents to keep sending their kids and paying the big $. i'm betting USCS is wishing they could have contained this story.

santa cruz is getting rougher and rougher by the day. and its getting harder for LE and others to keep the word from getting out. it is almost impossible to get a CCW in this county. my guess it will be even harder to get to have a gun on campus.

Delta College in Stockton has had several rapes/sexual assaults also.
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CCW'ers are exempt from gun laws on all educational facilities (federal law and state law). However it is against policies; if you are a student or a staff, chances are that you will get expelled or fired if discovered.
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When I would go up to the help the cheerleaders, they practiced 8-10pm bc of class schedules. I did not like having to walk back and forth between the lower parking lot and the gym by myself in the dark. I can easily see how girls can get raped there. And waiting alone at the bus stop...sheesh!! But I do like the idea about maybe offering a class or program up on campus. I will definitely be making sure flyers are up there when we I start my shoots.
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CCW'ers are exempt from gun laws on all educational facilities (federal law and state law). However it is against policies; if you are a student or a staff, chances are that you will get expelled or fired if discovered.
Catch is, you have to get the CCW to start with. For most students and California residents where universities are located, they've got a better chance punching out God.

Note also that separate to state law, universities retain the property rights over any area they control. A college can ban guns in its buildings from the same authority Aunt Ida does when she says guns aren't allowed in her home that means if a student/faculty member is made, they can be arrested and charged with criminal trespass in addition to being expelled/fired.
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If you are a resident on the UCSC Campus you are not even allowed to have pictures of guns in your room.
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CraneMech and SilverTauron are correct. 626.9 (l) (that's L) exempts LTC from the GFSZ. However, the difficulty is in obtaining an LTC in the first place. I would strongly suggest that anyone with an LTC make friends with one or more of the deans at the college/university you attend, or others in the administration. Show your strength of character. And keep your mouth shut about carrying. This is not the time nor the state to let people know you are armed.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:41 PM
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Sc is a dump
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:39 AM
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Why didn't she just run to a "safe zone"?
I thought she was already in one.
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Old 02-20-2013, 5:12 AM
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Even despite the law, campuses usually have their own rules. You may be legally sound, but still in violation of campus policy and liable for expulsion.
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Old 02-20-2013, 6:22 AM
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http://nakeddc.com/2013/01/03/brady-...-or-something/

Looks like it is in fact fake. I didn't think they'd be that stupid.

Pic was taken from a previous BBC article and shopped.
you had to look it up? HAHAH
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