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Old 02-13-2013, 8:16 AM
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Default Smith Model 3 in 44 Russian

I have a Smith & Wesson Model 3 chambered in .44 Russian. The gun is in really decent condition overall with little to no rust, and a fair amount of bluing still left on it. It's in excellent condition mechanically and is still operational, although I haven't fired it in several years.

The barrel & cylinder serial numbers are matching and in the 15xxx range. The serial number on the frame is in the 28xxx range.

I'm curious as to the value of this weapon and it's marketability as a parts gun. Anyone have any idea?

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Old 02-13-2013, 8:27 AM
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Well if that is an original then it is worth quite a bit. It is not matching, but finding a working one, nonetheless, is pretty rare.

Why would you want to turn it into a parts gun? Some collectors would fight like gladiators for those things.
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Old 02-13-2013, 8:33 AM
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It works, why turn it into parts?
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Old 02-13-2013, 8:58 AM
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I wouldn't consider parting it out. I was pointing out that the pistol doesn't have all matching serial numbers, what I call a parts gun. Sorry for the confusion.

I agree it has real value as a working and fine example.

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I would send it in to Mitch's Mausers for some matching numbers a Tulla stamp and maybe General Vladislav engraved on the back strap!
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I would send it in to Mitch's Mausers for some matching numbers a Tulla stamp and maybe General Vladislav engraved on the back strap!
You would huh?
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Old 02-13-2013, 3:42 PM
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I think what Alan meant was that he'd send it to Mitchell's to get capture marks from finland, germany, and japan, and add a tula mark + cartouche on the grips
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Old 02-14-2013, 9:19 AM
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I really don't want to do anything to it. It's a great piece of history as is. I believe it would be of interest to the right person.

Anyone have an idea of value?

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Old 02-14-2013, 9:30 AM
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If you go on Gunbroker you can find them anywhere from $500 to nearly $4000.

Yours looks nice. Mismatching numbers and a little rust drives down the value.

Have you fired it?
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Old 02-14-2013, 9:56 AM
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Yes I have fired it. It's really cool and surprisingly accurate. It has a great trigger on it.

I also checked gunbroker before posting in calguns and saw numbers all over the place. It's kind of hard to come up with a good number based on what I've seen. Many of the original blue guns don't look as good as mine. I saw a couple of comps out there for special guns with history that were astronomical.

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The lowest you could sell that thing for is $800 and someone will probably jump on it. You might get up to $1500 or so. A normal Model won't go for that much in that shape, but a Russian contract should.

I may be wrong, but that is what seems reasonable for a top break like yours to me.
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Thanks for the info Emdawg, sounds reasonable.
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Folks here are kidding about sending it to Mitchell's Mausers... MM is famous for fraud, fakery, and lies - sometimes taking what might actually be valuable and historic firearms and then completely azzing them up.

You would probably have to do a bit of research and check the various gun auction sites, and dealers of things of this nature, to see what current fair market value would be. It's a classic "Old West" S&W in good shape, and ammo should be available or can be easily made from .44 Special or .44 Magnum brass, so even mismatched it should have significant value and collector appeal.

I don't know that something like that would be worth, but would pay $500 for it in an instant, and don't think the prices Emdog mentioned are at all out of line.

If you are seriously wanting to sell it, maybe put it on Gunbroker with something like a $1,200 reserve and an opening bid of $100, and see where it goes from there. That way you can kind of gauge response and what people are willing to pay, without worrying about it being one of those fluke auctions where no one seems to see or be interested in it and you end up giving it away for next to nothing.

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Very good info Marcus, thank you. I knew something was up with the MM comments but was trying to be cordial. Thanks again.
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Very good info Marcus, thank you. I knew something was up with the MM comments but was trying to be cordial. Thanks again.
I think they were just teasing with the Mitchell's comments. Like what Marcus was saying they can take a beater Russian-capture K98 and turn into a "never-issued" monstrosity and they jack up the price.
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I don't know that something like that would be worth, but would pay $500 for it in an instant, and don't think the prices Emdog mentioned are at all out of line.
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Minimum price $1250. People buy new reproductions for $1150.
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Default Uberti Russians

I thought I'd add a couple pictures of my Uberti Russians, Both are in .44 Russian and have the correct 6 1/2" barrels, Their a blast to shoot with black powder on a good day I can usually get about thirty rounds down range before they get sticky. One of the guns is very early production and has the correct short cylinder with a gas ring and russian writing on the barrel the other while chambered for .44 Russian has the longer cylinder suitable for longer rounds like the .45 Colt but has no gas seal or cyrillic writing.
mgbebout Has a nice looking revolver and if it works as good as it looks should bring a decent price, The only concern I would have is the barrel and cylinder appear to be off a later model non russian #3, the release latch does'nt look right for a russian, I could be wrong but without looking closer it's hard to tell.
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If you look at completed auctions at gunbroker.com, you are in the $900-$1150 range.
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Default Smith Model 3 in 44 Russian

My gun has a 7" Barrel length which is correct for the Smith and Wesson Model 3 Russian Second Model, manufactured in .44 russian. See attached photo.

I've also included a couple of photo's of a research document provided by another recent seller of a weapon like mine. I found to be very informative reading.

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Interesting information, Is the picture of the Russian model topstrap the one you have?, You may have one of those guns thats hard to figure out, Your is numbered 15xxx and 28xxx which doesn't fall into the range of Russians that were sold on the american market. The barrel is definatly 2nd model but the latch looks to have been from a 44DA. Being as it's near 125 years old who knows where it's been or whats been done to keep it working.
Just as an semieducated guess I'd say its probably worth $1000.00 just as a clean shooter, If the barrel is marked Russian Model as in the picture It's an easy $1250 to $1500 gun.
Whatever it turns out to be its a great looking revolver and I like it.
I'm going to dig out my standard Catalog of S&W and see if I can find anything else.
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Thanks Delta. Yes that photo is from my gun.
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Thanks all for your input on my Model #3
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