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I said it when Obama got re-elected... 2 to 4 years of darkness are upon us.
Things can be reversed though. I am patient, but only to a point.
There will come a point where it will be like living next to a landfill. The smell will eventually get so bad that I'll either have to move, or wait for them to stop using it. I'm still trying to decide where that point is, because the idiots that populate this state and elect other idiots to represent them are the source of the problem. Sooner or later, the amount of trash gets to be over-whelming.

I know... it's like living in Alabama and complaining about rednecks.
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don't worry the governor will veto all of these stupid little bills. after all everyone knows how pro-gun he is. if i recall he wrote a little letter on our behalf once and got a lot of people to vote for him as the lesser of two evils.
After he signed the bills on the 2014 rifle registration and handgun open carry ban, I'm not so sure.
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I like this idea. A LOT.

I don't know anything about the petition/ballot initiative process though.

May 4, 2011 - Suggested last day for proponent(s) to submit proposed measure to the Attorney General and request a circulating title and summary

IF this task is going to be undertaken, time is short. I went to the Secretary of State website (and using the examples from the last election cycle above) there is not much time to get this rolling
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I heard an interesting suggestion on the radio this morning (SD-Slater's show). A caller proposed a petition for a ballot initiative that if passed, would make state politicians personally liable for authoring/voting/signing bills that are found to be unconstitutional.

I am not an attorney, nor am I versed in State/Federal law - but I thought it was an interesting concept given that we seem to have a supermajority that flies in the face of the constitution with impunity.
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I just heard of some 'gun raids' that are going to be beginning and supposedly there is a 'list of the first 3000'.... wtfh!!!!!!

This place is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO F+++++KED UP

Oh and that 1 up man ship... so they want to do it at the expense of making tens of thousands of law abidiing gun owning CITIZENS FELONS...F+++kin REALLY!? ....THIS PLACE NEEDS AN ENEMA.....
Care to expand upon that statement about " Gun raids"?
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I heard an interesting suggestion on the radio this morning (SD-Slater's show). A caller proposed a petition for a ballot initiative that if passed, would make state politicians personally liable for authoring/voting/signing bills that are found to be unconstitutional.

I am not an attorney, nor am I versed in State/Federal law - but I thought it was an interesting concept given that we seem to have a supermajority that flies in the face of the constitution with impunity.
Bout dam time. I've been suggesting this for years. Criminal conspiracy to violate civil rights.
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After he signed the bills on the 2014 rifle registration and handgun open carry ban, I'm not so sure.
The UOC ban was actually supported by many folks as it was seen as a way to get the courts to force shall issue CCW's. So the "right people" didn't oppose that law and Brown signed it. The LG reg I'm guessing he viewed it as a way to pander to the left with minimal damage.

I don't think he'll sign any of these super broad bills.
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This state has wealthy residents fleeing like rats off a sinking ship already because of the tax increases from the last election. If they make gun ownership impossible or ridiculously expensive, we would go. How many productive taxpayers does this state want to lose, and what kind of people will stay or come here? Basically only those coming for the nanny state or the generous welfare benefits. They sure aren't coming for the great schools any more or the middle class jobs.
The Legislature is so drunk on their super majority power that they aren't even pausing to think about the unintended consequences of their actions.

I have Plan B in place and it will result in a permanent loss of tax revenues and require pension payments to be sent out of state. I'm only one person (well with my wife and our elderly parents it adds up to 6), but I would expect the cumulative loss of revenue to be measurable and significant.
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what did I miss? What is going on?
New bills for the items from the "CA state Dem Caucus press conference" became available for reading today. For example: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=708722
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I'd rather Gura got rich by draining the back accounts of bogus law makers rather than tax payers. Not his fault I know, but until the guilty parties start paying the price for their misdeeds this will continue.
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...I don't think he'll sign any of these super broad bills.
He doesn't have to sign anything. Veto + veto override = "whether you like it or not." Unfortunately, the only way that I see to stop these lunatics is thru the courts. I too see Mr. Gura becoming a very rich man in the near future.
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I'd rather Gura got rich by draining the back accounts of bogus law makers rather than tax payers. Not his fault I know, but until the guilty parties start paying the price for their misdeeds this will continue.
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That's what preliminary injunctions are for.

The law doesn't take effect until it's all sorted out. Abortion bills are handled this way.
yeah, that's what they're for, but that doesn't mean we automatically get one

What do you think the odds are of getting one? I'm thinking slim to none. I'm only just starting to read on these things, but it seems (generally) the courts pretty much fall all over themselves deferring to the state.

Look at NY -- they outlawed Heller's own gun, and there's no PI over there (yet). How is that possible?
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We knew the laws that are coming down the turn pike were going to happen. the Insurance for gunowners, turn in your hi-caps, and low-caps. Ammo registration, ammo limits, evrything we bought before these bans ex-post facto confiscation. Guys, our lawyers are on the job and watching these situation. This is going to be our Civil Rights battle, just be patient. They are going balls out to stomp us out. Trow me into the Briar patch. A2
I'd throw in that in order to make the insurance expensive they also have to change liability law to blame the gun for crimes rather than the user of it... who probably stole it... and then shot someone with it... Otherwise; insurance ought to be pretty cheap (re: for accidents)...
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I thought I was up on all my legal jargon and analogies... can someone explain briar patch to me in a PM?
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The UOC ban was actually supported by many folks as it was seen as a way to get the courts to force shall issue CCW's. So the "right people" didn't oppose that law and Brown signed it. The LG reg I'm guessing he viewed it as a way to pander to the left with minimal damage.

I don't think he'll sign any of these super broad bills.
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I reserved my truck to move out of this state on Monday, with the news today it just confirms that even at the huge loss i'm taking I MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE. You guys can cling to the "briarpatch" argument, but the forces against you are firm in their resolve. If you don't ready yourselves for a fight your rights will be gone in a year or so.

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i foresee Alan Gura becoming very rich with california tax dollars
Between here NY and all the other places it's cropping up, we need a bunch of A. G. clones to fight all the battles brewing.
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I also hope so, yet THIS is one of the biggest reasons that we continue to see politicians willfully violating the Constitution. They have "no skin" in the game. They pass whatever they want and "let the courts decide".

There are several problems:
1. They SWORE AND OATH to PROTECT the Constitution. What they are doing is intentionally subverting it.
2. THEY aren't the ones who pay for the damage, it is ALWAYS the citizens, in loss of rights and loss of money. We pay the bill for the courts for BOTH sides AND we're the ones losing our rights.

There MUST be an amendment to stop this. I'd suggest that ANY author or co-author of ANY legislation-from school board/city council to federal level-that is struck down on Constitutional grounds be forever banned from ANY political office.

Think of it as a "felony" offense for a politician. You chose to do the crime, you WILL do the time and it isn't coming off your record. As a politician, your job is to protect the Constitutiion, not see just how close you can get to gutting it without getting caught.
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I also hope so, yet THIS is one of the biggest reasons that we continue to see politicians willfully violating the Constitution. They have "no skin" in the game. They pass whatever they want and "let the courts decide".

There are several problems:
1. They SWORE AND OATH to PROTECT the Constitution. What they are doing is intentionally subverting it.
2. THEY aren't the ones who pay for the damage, it is ALWAYS the citizens, in loss of rights and loss of money. We pay the bill for the courts for BOTH sides AND we're the ones losing our rights.

There MUST be an amendment to stop this. I'd suggest that ANY author or co-author of ANY legislation-from school board/city council to federal level-that is struck down on Constitutional grounds be forever banned from ANY political office.

Think of it as a "felony" offense for a politician. You chose to do the crime, you WILL do the time and it isn't coming off your record. As a politician, your job is to protect the Constitutiion, not see just how close you can get to gutting it without getting caught.
Great points, and they also include the VOTERS.

When 50% or so Cal-Gunners favor mandatory background checks, while knowing that statistically they do ZERO to reduce violent crime, it's not hard to understand why Califorinia political arse-wipes get elected.

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yeah, that's what they're for, but that doesn't mean we automatically get one

What do you think the odds are of getting one? I'm thinking slim to none. I'm only just starting to read on these things, but it seems (generally) the courts pretty much fall all over themselves deferring to the state.

Look at NY -- they outlawed Heller's own gun, and there's no PI over there (yet). How is that possible?
There is no such thing as a guaranteed PI, but it's not as bad as you might think. The "merit of a case" is the primary factor in granting a PI, but there are very important additional factors, primarily the "irreparable injury" caused by the lack of PI.

Almost all new proposed laws are on shaky legal grounds to begin with and are crafted in precisely the way to cause the maximum injury to the legal gun owners. In addition, the scope of 2A has not yet been completely settled by the SCOTUS and we have several circuit splits and pending certs. This makes the proposed laws prime candidates for PI - let the legal cases get to SCOTUS and figure out what is and isn't constitutional before causing an irreparable harm to the tens of millions of law abiding citizens.

A simple explanation for how PI-s work is here.

NY case hasn't been to the courts yet - it will be challenged for sure.
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We knew the laws that are coming down the turn pike were going to happen. the Insurance for gunowners, turn in your hi-caps, and low-caps. Ammo registration, ammo limits, evrything we bought before these bans ex-post facto confiscation. Guys, our lawyers are on the job and watching these situation. This is going to be our Civil Rights battle, just be patient. They are going balls out to stomp us out. Trow me into the Briar patch. A2
Sounds like hubris to me. Last time I looked, The Roster, 10-round limits, 10- and 30-day waits were still in effect and much more is coming. You haven't even unwound several years old laws and now more is coming.

More and more the talk from you folks sounds like the old joke about the IBM Salesman's wife's complaint about her sex life: "He just sits on the edge of the bed and tells me again and again how great it's going to be".
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I think the big part, and I could be completely wrong here, was that it wasn't until the Heller and McDonald decisions that we had the 2nd confirmed as an individual right and that it applies to the states in addition to the feds. Now, there are a number of cases winding their ways thru the courts, but as we all know, those take time. But you really couldn't challenge those laws and stand a good chance of winning until after Heller and McDonald.
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Where should I donate? Where will my $ be best put to use to fight this crap. NRA? CGF? Personal check to Alan?
You can always donate to my future law school fund...lol
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