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Filter out all those and I bet the ratio is just like any other area in the US. Last edited by dieselpower; 02-01-2013 at 4:47 PM.. |
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Aww...I feel special. I got my own love letter from the city today. What a f**kin waste.
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First off i am not a lawer but whatever list they compiled to mail this out is a register and court cases have upheld that gun registers are illegal if they even mailed these yhen destroyed the list ( ya sure they did ) they would just have to look back and see the names of the people they mailed it to those days
Furthermore whatever agencies gave your info out need to be held accountable and what's with explaining the dros process .... you obviously just did that process so it is insane to " inform you about it Need to get pro gun lawers to go have some words with them .... much sure there small words ..... i suggest four letter ones
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mail it to the nra and report harassment and reply saying, "in response to this letter... EFF YOU AND your Watch DOG!"
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Your letter sent me to the toilet!!!!
While the letter is factual, the underlying methodology bares examination. How did they (prosecutor) connect the long gun registration to generate this document. How was that info shared (DOJ to LADA?), was that legal was it an intended by the legislation. They DOJ building a new database = confiscation you are in their eyesight. I think you have a $1 million dollar lawsuit. Last edited by majtom94; 02-01-2013 at 5:58 PM.. |
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I would feel compelled to respond in kind, reminding them that malicious prosecution is a violation of an individuals civil rights and all those participating in conspiracy to deprive someone of their rights under color of law are exposed to the pointed end of federal litigation.
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Got the same one. Nothing like getting a "We're watching you --follow the law OR ELSE" How about they kiss my lily white gay ***. I am a law abiding citizen.. and suddenly I feel like a crook.
Can someone PLEASE SUE THEM?
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"There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political elite and their minions." --Stefan Molyneux |
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CA in the new millennium... aren't we lucky to live here
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That is big time intimidation and harassment. The City attorney sending you a letter like that when know crime has been committed. California's top Law Person sending out you're personal information to other agencies with no warrant or reason other than being a law abiding citizen. Man, I am ticked off for you. To the point that I want a letter from them. If you ever wanted to get on cable TV, O'Reilly, Hannity, or Greta would sure love to hear about this. Just Saying...
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My LGS crossed that field out and specifically said "do not fill out this field".
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How bout we all print this letter and wipe our Arse and mail it to them ? We can even use a anti-gunner's return address.
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apparently they can be efficient and punctual (even ahead of the game) when they want to be
I wonder how many tax dollars this is costing?... how many goofs are involved in this process?...
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Obviously a "we are watching you" intimidation tactic.
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I refer to it now as the"Pre-Confiscation Letter"
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It's too bad they can't be that efficient on things that matter (and make a difference).
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So is there ANY legal recourse?
Had I thrown it out in the trash -- Suppose some transient went thru my trash and discovered the letter? They now know I own a gun. We have to wait until some one gets their gun stolen or killed and then prove it was b/c of this letter?
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Safer, too. What a cowardly act.
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I just sent a message to the NRA-ILA about this issue, I would strongly recommend that other forum members who are also NRA members do the same when they receive one of these letters.
As a side note I believe the gun purchase that I received this letter about is in regards to a hand gun that I purchased at Turner's in Pasadena on Wednesday, January the 30th, so they apparently don't waste any time in sending out these harassing letters since my letter is dated the 31st. I had also purchased a semi auto rifle in 22lr that same night at Turner's but I believe that is aimed at hand gun purchases for now! |
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This looks like a job for Jason Davis.
According to the study, the two neighborhoods targeted for the letters were Devonshire and 77th Street police districts. I wonder if the OP and the other Calgunners who mentioned getting the letter live there or elsewhere? Would be veddy interestink if they've expanded the program citywide, beyond the "high-crime-gun" neighborhoods where they think they have justification for this sort of thing. Quote:
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Honorary Board Member, the California Gun Rights Foundation Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. Yes I'm an attorney. No, this post does not contain legal advice or opinion. Last edited by Davidwhitewolf; 02-02-2013 at 11:55 AM.. Reason: Added a Linky. |
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Can we file a PRAR to determine how the City Attorney's Office made unauthorized use of CLETS/AFS to generate these letters?
http://atty.lacity.org/stellent/grou...typ_023326.pdf |
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Can they charge a previous owner with a misdemeanor as the letter states, if the firearm has no Dealer Record of Sale and is used in a crime, when it even wasn't required until after 1990 for person to person transactions?
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Well, I live in North Hollywood so it appears they are taking their campaign city wide!
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Translation:
LA Attorney's Office: We suck at our jobs and the mayor is on our ***. So please for the love of God, don't use the gun you just bought for criminal purposes. You're making us look bad, quit it.
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While I don't agree that the city should be sending these letters, I do not see them as explicitly intimidating or threatening. They're just a 'friendly reminder' about the laws regarding transfer and ownership. Has the DOJ crossed any legal lines, provided they're recording and forwarding the DROS info only for handguns, and not long guns, that as of yet, are not registered at transfer.
Has anyone received one of these for a long gun purchase ? |
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If a white Southern Sheriff and AG had sent such "friendly reminder" letters -- watch out new voter, you could be prosecuted for voter fraud if you exercise that right to vote, so y'all be careful -- to every newly registered voter during a minority-dominated voter registration drive, I think most folks would perceive the obvious intimidation -- even if the letters might have been legal on their face. The intent may be to limit use of firearms in crimes, but if the method chosen to achieve that is to deliberately chill citizens from exercising their right to purchase a firearm -- which, in the current climate, I'm betting is arguably a political act -- there's all sorts of wrong with that. Councilman Garcetti's motion expressly noted that "success" was when letter recipients failed to complete their firearms purchase, after all. Joe Huffman had some thoughts on this a while back with which I agree. Ms. Tremblay & co. probably haven't given a second's thought before now to any of this; they're focused on criminals. Tough. They're public servants, after all, and they need to know we're out here. Voicemails from indignant, offended law-abiding gun owners politely detailing their annoyance might be a start. "Ma'am, I just want to follow the law. And I'm confused. You sent me a letter right after I purchased a firearm, which is my lawful right. And obviously this letter is telling me my local prosecutor knows who I am, even though I'm a law-abiding citizen. That's pretty intimidating, don't you think? And the letter says that if I complete my firearms purchase, I might be subject to prosecution for something. And then I see that the City Council measured the success of these intimidating letters in their pilot program by how many firearms purchases were canceled after these letters were sent out. So is that why you sent me this letter? Is that what you want me to do? Do you want me to go back and cancel my purchase of the firearm I lawfully purchased to defend myself and my family? That's the way some people might read this letter. And I just want to follow the law. So please tell me what your office is telling me I should do in this letter, I'd really like to know."
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Honorary Board Member, the California Gun Rights Foundation Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. Yes I'm an attorney. No, this post does not contain legal advice or opinion. Last edited by Davidwhitewolf; 02-02-2013 at 5:28 PM.. Reason: Fixed the link to Joe Huffman's post. Added a final paragraph and edited it a bit. |
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Why should they even be sending the info on hand gun purchases? I thought that info was simply so the state could verify whether you presented a criminal risk in purchasing a hand gun, not as an info data base for the local political tools! If they've violated state law then they need to be sued!
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Personally I am concerned that they have the info - but more importantly, that they sent the letter publicly (mail isn't necessarily private, it can fall into anyone's hands - by mistake or on purpose).
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Instead of using taxpayer funds to send "gun reminder letters" to law abiding citizens, L.A. should use the money to help the homeless and mentally ill that live on its streets. L.A. has a problem alright, and it isn't law abiding gun owners. L.A.'s problems are legendary and it all starts with wasteful politicians, idiot bureaucrats, etc.
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