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Old 01-23-2013, 4:19 PM
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Prices look good, realisticly maybe too good. If your capacity is only 100,000
rounds per month, Sacramento County residents will consume that much
before mid month. don't become another Jack Ross. Gun stores around here
are numerous, Bet I could sell them all 100 k in just a few days. Tomorrow,
I could probably do that by noon, Judging from what is available out there
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Old 01-23-2013, 4:44 PM
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I know I will take some....
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I'm in... A steady & reasonably priced source in Sacramento would be great
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I'd take 1k of the .40 and drive to Sacramento every time I need ammo with prices like that. You have my business when you're up and running.
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Well, let me know if you want sone help. I work for you and you can pay me in ammo. How's that? Willing to help one of my brothers in arms!
honestly, it may come down to it. always looking for a little help around the shop. i have a buddy that i pretty much do the same thing with. he comes by time to time : ) of course to the ATF and the IRS you are a contractor, not an employee hehe
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You didn't ask for it, but I'm going to give you some advice. I'm also 24, and have been running my own business for the last two years. I own a flight school with two airplanes, three other instructors, and a full time office manager. We're planning on adding another airplane this year, and things are going well.

All my advice is take it or leave it, and probably worth what you paid for it.
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If you can stay at your location in Sacramento, definitely do that. Seems like it will keep you overhead much lower.

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To sum it up in brief, thank you. this is the kind of open and honest stuff i was looking for, i know my grammar and punctuation represents my perceived intelligence level...but on here i don't tend to it much. its my weakness. thank you so much for all of the great links, i have exel already for free but ill deff let friends in need know about it. too much to thank for one by one, but know i read every post and take it all to heart. and i have been taking notes from other people's experiences as well.

If you don't have a web host already, I really like Dreamhost. Also make sure you're backing up your site.

I've never used wordpress as an e-commerce platform, I hear it's not great for that. Which brings me to my next point:

Don't even worry about online orders and stock. You're right, you'd be at the computer all the damn time updating stock. If I was you, I'd make a simple website with a page for each of your types of ammo and a page about you and where you make it. Your customer base loves that kind of stuff.

On every ammo page is the current estimated wait time for that ammo. Also on every page is a contact form where someone can type in what they'd like, name, phone number, email and how they'd like to be contacted. Every morning, transfer the data in the emails in to a spreadsheet. Then make ammo all day.

Once you've made someone's order, send them an email with an invoice from Google wallet. Paypal sucks, so use Google. How do you do that? https://support.google.com/checkout/...n&answer=53026

Maybe also give them a phone call (only if they're okay with that. People can be private about everything). They then have 48 hours to pay up and you'll ship it out. If they don't pay in that time, it just goes on to the next person.

With this set up, you'll never have to worry about shopping cart software. You won't have to set up a credit card merchant (which is an expensive PITA), you can just use Google. Your in person orders, online and phone orders will all integrate well. Everything just goes into that spreadsheet (which you're backing up right?). Also makes it easy if you hire anyone to help in production.

You're not going to be able to go toe to toe with some giant manufacturer. Beat them on service and simplicity.

As a personal not, I would also not bring up your age. It can really only hurt you, that's been my experience. Also, start typing better. Get some punctuation and capitalization in there.

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These sort of businesses (small time ammo manufacturing, small flight schools) fail all of the time because people don't run them like a real business. Don't make that mistake, and I really think you could do well. Good luck!
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IF u get ok-ed Ill drop up and buy 1k of each of what you sell. Then do a review after I shoot them threw all mine and friends guns. Then people will order your stuff.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:31 PM
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I'll take 250,000 of each.
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2k 9mm for me.
how many of each can you produce in a month?
with the ammo shortage we are seeing, i am sure you will receive lots of orders as long as you are able to get the words out therr.
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i will take 2 k of 9mm for sure
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As long as initial reviews are decent, I'll take 2K of 556 and 1K each of the others.

What about .308? Market demand/prices are high at the moment.
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308 is just too backordered and expensive, im looking to get components cheap, load, and sell for cheap... just not in the market for it yet!
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2k 9mm for me.
how many of each can you produce in a month?
with the ammo shortage we are seeing, i am sure you will receive lots of orders as long as you are able to get the words out therr.
since school full time is my first priority, im thinking like 10k of each/month. maybe more if i have time..
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IF u get ok-ed Ill drop up and buy 1k of each of what you sell. Then do a review after I shoot them threw all mine and friends guns. Then people will order your stuff.
i am fully set up and licensed in TX. i just have to file an address change, and im good to go after i get zoned again. wasnt hard the first time. doubt it will be hard the second time lol.

but on a better note, other than here, i am not planning to advertise, word of mouth will have to be it. i am going to school full time and this is kind of a hobby for me. i load about 10k each now, and thats working full time on top of it... so i dunno what i will actually pump out. hopefully more : ) i have happy customers here hehe. theres no TEXGUNS.net sadly ,

but i look forward to your reviews, good, bad, ugly, sexy, all of it. cant get better without honest reviews.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:21 AM
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Put me down for 1k of 556
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As long as somebody can vouch for quality I will get all my 9mm from you. I got a bunch of friends that shoot 9mm too. I am only a couple hours away from Sac. Can't wait until you are up and running. All the best.
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As long as somebody can vouch for quality I will get all my 9mm from you. I got a bunch of friends that shoot 9mm too. I am only a couple hours away from Sac. Can't wait until you are up and running. All the best.
my official tester of my ammo is phrogg111 on here. he also has a youtube channel, check it out. .. free firearms training on youtube. amateur video's, but he is a good guy. and a good shot.
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A little market info since you're (going to be) in Sac.

I bought 4K of .40s&w 180gr FMJ commercially reloaded ammo from Redline Ballistics (via a gun show) for $230/k two days before Sandy Hook. 9mm was under $200 per 1k. I didn't buy any then, but IIRC, .45acp was priced just under $300 per 1k... all calibers come with a cheap plastic ammo can. RLB isn't real high quality stuff and I've had a few issues with their rounds, but it's sufficient for range practice and plinking.

Ammodepot and other shops in Sac also sell Redline ammo at little to no markup as compared to the gun show, which tells me that dealers get wholesale pricing. The wholesale market is also viable if you can supply sufficient quantities.

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http://www.amazon.com/Small-Business.../dp/1413316824

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http://www.amazon.com/Page-Business-.../dp/1891315099

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http://www.amazon.com/Personal-MBA-M...s=personal+mba

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A little market info since you're (going to be) in Sac.

I bought 4K of .40s&w 180gr FMJ commercially reloaded ammo from Redline Ballistics (via a gun show) for $230/k two days before Sandy Hook. 9mm was under $200 per 1k. I didn't buy any then, but IIRC, .45acp was priced just under $300 per 1k... all calibers come with a cheap plastic ammo can. RLB isn't real high quality stuff and I've had a few issues with their rounds, but it's sufficient for range practice and plinking.

Ammodepot and other shops in Sac also sell Redline ammo at little to no markup as compared to the gun show, which tells me that dealers get wholesale pricing. The wholesale market is also viable if you can supply sufficient quantities.

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Well, Calguns be slow. I never saw your above posts.
i am hoping that i can lower my prices at some point, but even at dealer prices, i dont have the scratch to buy 300k worth to load at one price. surprisingly i get like 15 bucks off a thousand brass compared to what i was paying before. i own all of my equipment outright so i do not have to pay loans, as a side hobby to just pay for gas to and from the range... lol. but looking to bump it up at some point.
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As a starter, i'll say limit first upto max of 1K or 2K each order for every costumer. So that you can build a reputation quickly. Just to be fair on each costumer.

I'll get 1K of 556 & 45.
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2K each of 556 and 9
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im sure you can sell 100k a month easily.

main advice is..keep the supplies and components ROLLIN IN! i bet you can sell out as soon as they are pressed.

and like everyone else said dont take backorders...
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It'll be no problem, even easier in today's market. If you add up sales from this thread, you'd be on your way to the next group sale...

1k 9mm
1k 45
1k 5.56

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Since you are dealing with ammo - get very good, high limit, insurance to cover you, your assets, and any potential problems if your ammo does not perform correctly. Not worth losing everything if someone shoots a bad batch.
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If the OP is a one-man shop, I recommend concentrating on 9mm and .223 only for now. I recall a major ammo vendor once published a revenue pie chart according to caliber. These are just rough figures I remember.

.223 - 25% of revenue
9mm Parabellum - 15%
45 ACP - 8%
308 - 6%
40 S&W - 5%

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Since you are dealing with ammo - get very good, high limit, insurance to cover you, your assets, and any potential problems if your ammo does not perform correctly. Not worth losing everything if someone shoots a bad batch.
HELL YES! but, also am filed under chapter s. i was hard between S and LLC. 2 million in insurance coming.

whats weird is that the ATF has no requirement for insurance. kind of a bad day for the guy that doesnt get it anyways..
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If the OP is a one-man shop, I recommend concentrating on 9mm and .223 only for now. I recall a major ammo vendor once published a revenue pie chart according to caliber. These are just rough figures I remember.

.223 - 25% of revenue
9mm Parabellum - 15%
45 ACP - 8%
308 - 6%
40 S&W - 5%

Best luck to you and your new business.
in my minor amounts of sales here in Hell Paso, (minus 308) i agree. most comes from 9mm had an order for 25k 223 and i filled it. that was everything i had components wise. holy crap. i will be getting an auto camdex machine (about $50k O.o) but will be worth not pulling the handle 50k times a month.
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If you're "the man" with no partners, an LLC will generally serve you better in terms of cost, ease of credit, and overall tax position.
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If you're "the man" with no partners, an LLC will generally serve you better in terms of cost, ease of credit, and overall tax position.
good looking out, i will have to check that out, i wasnt sure what the difference between llc and S was..i have not actually filed for it since im still in texas for a fwe months.!
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I have a source for components. Let me know when your ready to produce and I might be able to help. I live in Redding CA but often take trips to Sac for work. Good Luck!
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If you're "the man" with no partners, an LLC will generally serve you better in terms of cost, ease of credit, and overall tax position.
Not necessarily. I started a business a couple years back (I've liquidated since, long story) I started as a Class S corporation with closed and limited stock. This allowed me to bring in partners later if I so chose. Additionally an LLC, all taxes of the company are passed strait to the owner. As a Class S the first 100K (could be 200K) is passed strait through to the owners (assuming you have another person you're working with) and past that you're business is taxed like a corporation. As a class S, assuming you meet the requirements on your income, you can write off your expenses the same as an LLC but also keeps it open in the future to convert the business to a Class C corporation.

It really depends what your end goal is, if you want to attempt to expand, if you want to stay small. In the end a small scale there isn't too much of a difference between the two except it's easier to sell a Class S than it is an LLC if you get offered a buyout. I'm sure there's much more I'm forgetting but that's what I remember from the top of my head.


On another note, OP, I'm a computer engineer with a degree in information security. If you need any computer related advice or help, feel free to send me a PM.
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I generally purchase a few thousand rounds per year of .40 and 5.56.

I'm working on an AR-308, which will be the first .308 in my collection, so I'll need that if I can ever get the last few parts. Not on your list I realize, but I'd be interested if you added that one.
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Not necessarily. ...
A key word above was "generally." The idea is for the OP to do his homework because only he knows what's going to serve him better.
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A key word above was "generally." The idea is for the OP to do his homework because only he knows what's going to serve him better.
Point taken. I didn't mean any offense
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i have alot of homework to do. also guys, as a side note, i have 30 round ar mag "kits " at 25 ea. new. details at the link to my post! i got the zoning done here in TX finally, so i am good to go!
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Good luck with your new business. To start off I'd be happy to buy 2k of the 9mm from you and once I have a chance to test it out I'd look forward to buying various calibers on a regular basis.

We definitely need a good bulk supplier here in Northern California.
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