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Old 12-17-2012, 2:41 PM
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Smile Official Foresthill clean up site - "The Quary" Finning Mill Rd

I recently visited one of my favorite spots to shoot and it was a disaster. The place is off of Finning Mill Rd in Foresthill, from Antelope it takes about an hour + to get there. I believe it is called "The Quary" and there is a ton of trash that can be hauled out of here. I can get a truck and some clean up tools, is there anyone else willing to help out with time and/or equipment?

Things I can provide -
(1) Truck
(2) Shovels
(1) Rake
Safety Vests
Coordinate dump service
Calguns gear for anyone who volunteers


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Here is what we are asking of you - Show up on January 19, 2013 bring yourself, whoever else you can dig up and any of the items listed below and give about 3-4 hours of your time. (If there is rain the backup date is Feb 2nd)

The meeting place will be where Finning Mill Road begins directly off of Foresthill Road. Check in here if you are interested and we will give official notices by PM a few weeks before the event. This is when we will finalize all the information like time and what everyone will be bringing.

Things Individuals can bring -
PPE- eye/ear protection, the rest will be provided.
Truck
Trailer
Tarp
Rope/tie downs
Wheel barrow
LARGE trash cans
Shovels
Rakes
Water
"Power" snacks: fruit, jerky, trail mix, etc.
Tables
Radios
Anybody with medical training or certified in CPR
Popups (if needed)


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I have contacted the forest service and most of the people are off until January 3rd. The information I did get is on my desk at work so I will have to add more info later. What I do know...

1. The Forrest Service does not get many volunteers and needs our help.

2. The Forrest Service requires everyone who volunteers to sign a waiver and go through a 10-15 min safety orientation. This makes sure everyone has workers comp insurance. Boots are also required, no sandals or tennies.

3. They will post signs letting people know we will be in the area to clean. This will let people know so they can come and help or so they can plan on shooting in another area. I have been told that they do not have it in the budget to completely close down the area but there is an alternate place to shoot that is a stones throw away from the area we will be focusing on.

4. We can use the local dump for the garbage but it is not in the budget for them to drop off a dumpster or "roll off". We will start with using the Foresthill Transfer station to dump at and as things progress we can look into containers.

5. The ranger may have a first aid kit in his truck and all participants are supposed to sign a form that he brings with him. The form is essentially saying we are working as volunteers for the forestry service for the day and this gives all signers medical insurance in case of an accident while working. (mentioned above but very important)

6. If there is something else that comes up like snow patrol the Rangers will not be on site during the clean up. They will do their best to coordinate with all local agencies but again...not in the budget.

Notice a theme here?? Low budget. One of the most beautiful places on Earth and there is no budget to keep it clean.

Things the Forrest service can provide
Hard Hats
Gloves
Trash bags
Free use of dump


Thanks for any help you can provide!!
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I have truck and tools let me know time and date
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Good question. The weather looks iffy for now and if the rain is too much then it floods.

I posted this because it is fresh on my mind and I would like to start seeing who is willing to help and what resources we can put together. Maybe there will be a dry weekend in January. For now I will have to jump on something and see if it works out when the 10 day forecast looks descent. If I end up going out alone I can still make a small dent.

Things I can supply -
A truck to haul trash
Rake & shovel
CalGuns gear for anyone who volunteers

Things we might need -
More trucks/trailers
More rakes & shovels
Trash bags
Water
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"Power" snacks: fruit, jerky, trail mix, etc.
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If it's on a Sunday I can help.
I can bring a long bed truck, trash trailer and some kids to help.
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Are you talking about the "Quarry"?

http://maps.google.com/?ll=39.114229...23925&t=h&z=16

I would possibly be in, that place was a disaster the last time I went.
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That's the place. Never knew the official name.
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Let me know when you go I'm in I have several rakes and shovels wheelbarrow

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would anyone be interested in setting up some permanent targets? I have tons of scrap wood at my shop. Someone would have to meet me there to haul it up.
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That's the place. Never knew the official name.
I only found out the name because a Placer Co Sherrif was writing me a ticket for riding my dirt bike on the road and asked me where I was parked. After I described it, he said "Oh the Quarry, where everyone trap shoots?"
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Add my name to the list. I have a rake, shovel, gloves, a box of trash bags, rope, & PPE. I'll also bring a case of bottled water.
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If its on a sunday i can bring a couple extra hands to clean up... No truck though...

That place could use a good cleaning!
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would anyone be interested in setting up some permanent targets? I have tons of scrap wood at my shop. Someone would have to meet me there to haul it up.
Are you talking about free standing target frames to be left there, or "permanent" target frames set in the ground? If "permanent", may need FS permission.
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Old 12-18-2012, 3:50 AM
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Nothing is permanent out there. Some a-hole will come & tear them down or destroy them for fun.
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Nothing is permanent out there. Some a-hole will come & tear them down or destroy them for fun.
True, but we usually end up throwing away the wood anyway.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:57 AM
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When i have a truck and trailer and tools gotta be sat or sunday for me
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I have never shot there or even been there. But I would be interested in volunteering. Please keep me in the loop.
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I am in if it's a Sunday, I love it up there... I don't have a truck, but I can bring some tools and bags as well. I haven't been to the quarry, I usually stop off before I make it that far in.
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Im In, gotta truck. If anyone has a trailer I can tow for extra garbage no problem, that will be a significant help. Is there a landfill in Auburn?
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I'm available, let me know when and what time. I'm just up the road from you.
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Default Range Cleanup Checklist

Here's a good basic checklist I've started building (based on the one in SoCal for the Glass Factory) on setting up a CGN Range Cleanup. I've also asked for another checklist from the CGN hierarchy and will update.

This list is designed for a really large clean up and may be overkill for Forest Hills Quarry. We will need to pick and choose things we need for a smaller cleanup.

OK, so I'm a project manager and I love checklists. But that's the way we get things done right. (For instance, I never thought about wheelbarrows until I read this).

If anyone has other items to add or questions, please post 'em and I'll update the list.

UPDATES are in Italics
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Preliminary date is ( fill in ) Plan for a rain-date ( fill in)

Forestry Service:
  • Set up a date with the Forestry Service and learn their rules. Ranger availability may drive the cleanup date.
  • (Ranger Name ) is our contact at our local forestry service. Will the Ranger come to the cleanups to help with closing down the range. We should contact him to be sure he is still willing and able.

Volunteers
  • Volunteers can usually work about 3-4 hours at most, including trash hauling.
  • Volunteers should be notified of the date, time and place to meet by PM, and not by announcing it in the thread, according to the SoCal clean-up veterans.
  • It is better to concentrate the volunteers in one area and get is totally clean, instead of letting them spread out and only get some of it.
  • Set up a rally point on an easy-to-locate paved road if possible, so we bring in the right number of vehicles to the range

Roll offs and trash removal: ( fill in who's responsible )
  • Coordinate with trash removal firms for donation of roll offs
  • Will the trash hauler drop off a dumpster, we fill it, then call them to exchange it or do they hang out or?
  • Or, locate a legal land fill and determine how to pay fees if any.
  • Size of the volunteer team is often dictated by how much trash we are allowed to dump or can afford to dump. Apparently 3-5 people working 3 hours can fill a normal dumpster.

Clean up equipment:
  • Shovels: (how many) ( person responsible )
  • Rakes: (how many) ( person responsible )
  • Wheelbarrows: (how many) ( persons responsible )
  • Popups: (how many) ( person responsible )
  • Tables: (how many) ( person responsible )
  • Radios?
  • Bullhorn?
  • Gloves
  • Dustmasks if needed
  • Heavy-duty trash bags?

Food/Drinks:
  • ( person responsible ) can bring the BBQ, food and water.
  • ( person responsible ) can also bring food and drinks to supplement.

Whether to Barbeque?
  • support crew to dole out water, snacks and do the cooking if it is a BBQ?
  • have a dedicated group to cook and keep water and other drinks cold and ready to go.
  • like the idea of a clean"Q"n'shoot but is there enough time in one day to do that?
  • how long the cleanup portion will take - 5 hours? 12 hours? Any ideas?
  • keep it as a clean’n’Q.
  • if we introduce a shoot, then it takes this into a whole new level of complexity.

Safety:
  • Liability? We are really just a bunch of citizens doing this, so how does it work with sponsorship from the CGN?
  • First Aid:
  • Who has training? Do we have a trained Paramedic? Who can bring a good kit?
  • The ranger may have a first aid kit in his truck and all participants are supposed to sign a form that he brings with him. The form is essentially saying we are working as volunteers for the forestry service for the day and this gives all signers medical insurance in case of an accident while working.

CGN/CGSSA vests? - for volunteer safety
  • Order some? (to borrow or for C3's to keep for future cleanups? Ask Pennys Dad
  • It would be nice to have a different color for the coordinators and the volunteers. Perhaps set up a chapter kit for future clean ups?

Prize give away
  • What do you guys think of a “drawing for a prize” for participating in the event.
  • ( person responsible ) can handle the drawing. The better the raffle, the more participants we can have I think.
  • Not really looking for money for the raffle, looking for sponsorships and donations.
  • We can make the criteria that in order to receive raffle tickets, you must work for a minimum of four hours (and be present for the raffle at the end of the day? )
Publicity:
  • ( person responsible ) would be responsible for a flyer (a good one exists), we can send it to most places as a .pdf, possibly print and drop off to local guns shops and sporting goods stores, etc.?
  • Media -For future cleanups, maybe.
  • Obtain several signs that says "Calguns cleaned up this range" (a good one exists). This will probably be trashed by morons after we leave, so we post another one.
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Old 12-18-2012, 1:51 PM
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If you want to hunt squirrels with a 30-06, I guess that's fine, a little overkill can't hurt. We could never bring too much (man)power. Im not that familiar yet, but there are at least two main areas where people set up and shoot. Where we were at last Sunday there are some hazardous waste, like computer/electronics parts, paint buckets, water heaters, appliances, basketball stand, in addition to normal shooting items. Now I'm thinking a dumpster might be a good idea, there is enough trash to fill it for sure. Just a water heater alone will take up one pickup truckload. Although the dumpster bin will likely not get delivered on site, maybe to the closest paved road? Just some thoughts...
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I called the local ranger station to get some information and the person who usually answers questions is off today. I will call again tomorrow.

I have read some information that says we can use the local dump for free but a dumpster at the beginning of Finning Mill Rd would be amazing. If it isnt too much I will see what I can do about funding for the dumpster.
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If everyone who volunteers kicks in $ 1, that will help pay for dumping, if needed. I'll kick in $10, just because.

Other groups have asked the dumpster company to donate the delivery, use for one day and pickup of the dumpster.
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Love to shoot here. Will be out there during the week after Christmas - weather permitting. More than happy to help out. Might be able to get a trailer. Other than that I can just bring some basic tools. Have a 4 Runner, so no hauling unless I get a trailer.
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i have a large truck that i could park and fill up. it will not make it across the creek and the mud pit next to the creek. also might be able to handle disposing of a lot of the junk. let me know when.

maybe reconsider talking to the ranger. we can police our own site.
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I am glad to see so many people want to help.

Thank you!
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I've been told that the Rangers are necessary, so they can officially close the sites to shooting. That's a safety issue and one I think is necessary. I can't think of a reason to exclude the Rangers on purpose. Am I missing something?
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If we are doing this as Calguns then the rangers need to be involved and we need to do it by the book.

Plus they can easily supply some resources that might be hard for us to furnish. I will know more tomorrow after I call again.
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Im In, gotta truck. If anyone has a trailer I can tow for extra garbage no problem, that will be a significant help. Is there a landfill in Auburn?
My understanding is that in the town of Foresthill, there is a "refuge station" (dumpsters) that are available at no charge for disposal of trash picked up/collected in the NF (ohv trails, etc.). If someone contacts the ranger station in Foresthill, they should be able to confirm this.
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I called the local ranger station to get some information and the person who usually answers questions is off today. I will call again tomorrow.

Looking into it...we don't need 50 people calling tomorrow. I know how Calgunners can do things at 110% and all...
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Final a date and I'll show. Have small pick up, tools, wheelbarrow, lotsa energy!
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Updated the checklist based on input from SoCal cleanup guru's. Additions in italics. No deletions.


Do we have someone coming who is paramedic trained? Or just well trained in First Aid. Someone to bring a good first aid kit?
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I talked some with the ranger station today. Most of the people in the office are off until January 3rd. I will post the information I got later tonight.
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Updated OP with good info.

If you are interested in helping leave a message here and we will include you on the PM we send out with all the really important info in a few weeks.
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Ill will try to get the day off work so I can help.
Is this a cleanup only or can I shoot some too? not that I want to shoot while people are picking up trash but if we're done cleaning and its safe to shoot in the area it would be nice. Years ago I use to frequent the area quite a bit to camp and shoot. It was really nice then but over the last ten years some of the people visit and leave all sorts of stuff up there. Camping with my father taught my brother and I to always pack our garbage out and to use targets the are biodegradable or at least something that could be burned in the campfire like paper plates or crackers.

a lot of good memories where made there.
please keep me informed. if I cant get the day off work I could at least pitch in for snacks, drinks, or something for cleaning.
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Thanks for the help!!


Shooting after the event will be OK, I might even do a little. I'll use salteen crackers as my targets cause it sounds fun.

If you can't make it something like a case of water or rope/twine for securing our rubbish would be a great help.
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So as of right now I can pencil it in due to me having twins being delivered the 2nd week in January . I would like to beable to help so well see how the dice roll.



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Anyone know the conditions up there right now? Is it snowed in?
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