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Old 10-11-2012, 8:01 PM
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Default AAR: Shivworks ECQC Sacramento 10/5-7/12

ShivWorks (SouthNarc)
Extreme Close Quarters Concepts
Sacramento

Background: I have been in numerous training classes such as Magpul Dyamics(before it was cool) Kyle Defoor, RB1, Tigerswan, Haley Strategic etc. and some local trainers. Also have a bit a background with BJJ and combatives.

I have been eyeing Southnarc for quite a while now after re-assesing myself that flinging mags and shooting at 100 yards with carbine will not prepare me for some up close and personal violent encounter. After watching several shivworks videos in youtube and vimeo.. i knew that i am in for a treat.. like get beat up or worst. It would be a very physically exhausting course work mind you a week ago i just completed my tough mudder race.

I hate fighting, i really do. But it has to be done.


I will make my AAR just short and concise. I will have other students to chime in and give more specifics on the course layout.


Location: Fusion elite center in Sacramento and SacValley Shooting Range
The course was organize by Byrren Yates and Peter Jarvis.

Instructor: Craig Douglas aka. Southnarc Cracka *** Cracka
Students: Mostly civilians and few LEO's and repeat students

Gear:
Run my GLOCK19C during livefire and having some issues with the muzzle blast during several positions. I have to switched it to a regular Glock19 after my nose and mouth was bleeding.
Holster: Raven Concealment VG2. I'm a big minimalist fan although the issues i have during live fire is the holstering the VG2. It's slow but it's the better option that being shot in the nut sack for improper usage of the VG2.

Clothing: Vertex Pants and Regular t-shirt and under armor.

I'm going to let the pictures and videos do the talking.

TD1:


Instructor: Southnarc

The Criminal Assault Paradigm






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Old 10-11-2012, 8:02 PM
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Evolutions:







click for more:http://www.flickr.com/photos/316phot...th/8075998259/
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VIDEOS:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJwEf...rLCQa4mX0e7k5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vQdC...rLCQa4mX0e7k5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNgk...rLCQa4mX0e7k5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vQdC...rLCQa4mX0e7k5w


CONCLUSION: Shivworks ECQC (extreme close quarter concept) is the BOMB. I did not finished the course unscathed but with sore back, bruises and cuts. Tough mudder last week was just a cake walked for me compared to the 3 Day Evolution. Anxiety, fear, apprehension and excitement rolled into one. Is it a fight club? No it's not but a gut check that having a weapon (guns, knives etc.) with you is not a panacea that you will survive in the street. You can be the fastest gun slinger and clock sub second and hitting a bullseye on the target but guaranteed you will have a tough time surviving on 0-6 feet in fighting. Taking Shivworks ECQC course is a great training experienced ifnot the the best training course that i have taken that is applicable on my daily paradigm. Craig Douglas aka. Southnarc knows his **** and would highly recommend to anyone interested on taking the ECQC course.

Special thanks to Byrren, Peter and Seth. And to all my fellow students.. great job guys for making it a douche free friendly environment.
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Nice eye-opener on using a compensated pistol at contact ranges.

ECQC is a good way to reality test tool and techniques that are solid classroom theories but not real-world tested.
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Nice eye-opener on using a compensated pistol at contact ranges.

ECQC is a good way to reality test tool and techniques that are solid classroom theories but not real-world tested.
real world tested? can you explain more? thanks..
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Was that an airsoft pistol being used for this training?

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Was that an airsoft pistol being used for this training?
not airsoft.. Glock 17 Sims
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What is up with the wounds on the foreheads of some people?
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This was one of the most valuable shooting classes that I've taken. SouthNarc has a lot of experience teaching it, and it shows. He presented the material very clearly and in sequence, with practicing many of the techniques first with no resistance, to learn the technique, then with some resistance to get the feel of it, then with full resistance drilling the technique, then with full resistance in an open ended scenario.

The training with resistance makes all the difference here, and is something that most shooting trainers and trainees are not very into, but a little roughing up is the price you have to pay to get realistic training.

Just so people know, the training evolutions shown in the video were the culmination of the training at the end of the day, so people had a chance to learn what to do first. Nobody got hurt, and everyone was really good about keeping the resistance at an appropriate level.
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What is up with the wounds on the foreheads of some people?
It's from the 'mountain goat' drill we did on the first day, where you go forehead to forehead with the other person and try to push them back without using your arms. The purpose is to understand the proper posture and body positioning for grappling. You can see this drill in some of the pictures. Everybody got a red sore spot but nobody got an actual open wound as far as I know.
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Late on seeing this AAR, thanks for sharing!
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