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Old 01-09-2013, 7:24 AM
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Anytime he logs on and posts/admits he still owes money the statute counter is reset.
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"Anytime he logs on and posts/admits he still owes money the statute counter is reset."

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Old 01-09-2013, 3:05 PM
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FUD.
Let me dig a bit. Yup, let me clear this up:

From a lawyer:

On a written contract or account, such as a credit card, the statute of limitations is 4 years. The SOL does not re-start if an account is sold to a collection agency. But an act affirming the debt, such as a payment, even to a collection agency, can have that effect.

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Was the debt reaffirmed by payment alone? Was it reaffirmed by written agreement? By court order?

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The exchange that you described would not restart the clock; there is such thing as a reaffirmation of debt, but it would not apply to this situation because neither was there a court order reaffirming the debt nor was the reaffirmation supported by legal consideration. The mere restatement that the money was owed would not create an enforceable interest.


So basically he has to pay you $1 (the consideration) to reaffirm the debt. So if he paid you part of what he owes then your clock starts over, for the rest of the folks, no such luck. He indeed needs to do more that simply state he owes, he needs to do it in legal form apparently. Paying a buck to you is quicker and easier and just as binding.

I was going to ask about combining all the debt into one large debt, like maybe folks can hand their interest over to one party for representation, but my free time ran out.
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OK this is BS!!

Jason when am I getting my $$$ I sent it to your wife so that is who I will be taking to court, then I took roleyourown 's spot, so I guess I will put you on the list also.

I have all the IM 's and copyes of the paperwork

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Old 01-22-2013, 8:23 AM
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"Last Activity: 01-12-2013 10:16 PM" but he hasn't posted in this thread since 12/30.
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getting involved in this GB was a horrible decision.
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Tell me about it I wish I had stopped at one but no my dumb *** did two then bought out rollourown's spot


Also I have to ask has anyone called him?

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Not involved, but I do have experience collecting on debts. Do not use the small claims system. It will cost about 150 to file your case and you have to pay a process server to serve this guy the court docs, which runs around 150. Plus, you will have to file in the county he is located because that is where the "issue" took place. Small claims court takes ALL day, so add the cost of a missed work day. Once you win, you have a worthless paper judgement. I imagine no one has his social, so pinning it to his credit record isn't automatic and might not even happen.

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Can I get an attorney to chime in here? Hypothetically, I were to contact each group buy individual who was owed money by either Jason or his wife, and agreed to buy his debt from them, paying them in full. Would I then, be able to go after him for the full amount owed to me at that point? Since the amount would be over $5,000, I would be able to go after him with a full-blown lawsuit & collections, vice stopping at small claims, correct?
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Can I get an attorney to chime in here? Hypothetically, I were to contact each group buy individual who was owed money by either Jason or his wife, and agreed to buy his debt from them, paying them in full. Would I then, be able to go after him for the full amount owed to me at that point? Since the amount would be over $5,000, I would be able to go after him with a full-blown lawsuit & collections, vice stopping at small claims, correct?
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If You Are Suing: Small Claims or a Limited Civil?

If you are an individual and want to file a lawsuit for $10,000 or less, you have the option of filing a small claims case or a limited civil case. If you are a business, you can file in small claims court for $5,000 or less. Note that, if you are an individual but are suing for bodily injuries as a result of a car accident and the person you are suing has car insurance that includes a "duty to defend," the limit in small claims court is $7,500.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each option, and you should talk to a lawyer to find out what is best for you given your situation.
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wow .. what the f..uck happened? can someone summarize or explain what happened so those who are just now tuning in can understand and learn to do or not do something .. like this?
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wow .. what the f..uck happened? can someone summarize or explain what happened so those who are just now tuning in can understand and learn to do or not do something .. like this?
Extremely pc and polite. Vendor flaked. Like in a big way. No judgement. Just facts, took money didn't deliver. Dint pay back.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:39 AM
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for a group buy of mosins? did he take cash or pay pal?
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Today is my one year anniversary of sending money for this group buy. Got one nice Hex for about $390. Guess I made out better than others.
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Yeah, that's an understatement. Especially since the order people signed up had nothing to do with the order people got rifles, so you were in the middle of crate 2 and got yours and I was in the middle of crate 1 and didn't.

@Michael He took a variety of forms of payment. Hopefully the people who used postal money orders are following up through the post office since they take that seriously. He gave out many of the mosins then kept having plan after plan for when he'd get the rest and basically just kept dragging it out one or two weeks at a time so the whole saga is extremely long and twisted and I doubt that anybody will really try to set the whole thing down for you.
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=526624

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Got one nice Hex for about $390. Guess I made out better than others.
That's a pretty expensive Hex...
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I've been following this train wreck for months and I have to ask, why aren't you guys doing anything? What are you waiting for?

Someone please take some sort of action against this guy so he can't just walk away with your money.

I don't mean to be admonitory but It drives me crazy to see how your trust has been abused and yet this guy keeps stringing everyone along. You know what he's doing, don't you? He's waiting for everyone to weary of the whole thing and just give up. It's as plain as day. Do not let him win.

I'm sure some of you have his address, if nothing else, call his local police department and tell them he's taken money from you and not delivered a product. Believe it or not, that sometimes works. I used that strategy successfully myself a couple of years ago.

Please, do something. My sense of honor and fair play is assaulted every time I check the progress of this thread.
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Refunded List (Already received refunds.)

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Uhh I HAVE NOT been refunded yet. I was promised a tracking number in December that never arrived.
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This should not be deleted, this proves Emptor Caveat.

IMO, Expertish got in way over his head by trying to accomodate too many people who were all being greedy, thinking they were gonna get the Deal of the Century for little money invested. Expertish did not make all of the calculations necessary to make this happen. Then he ran into personal financial issues that exacerbated this GB Disaster. I don't think his intentions were dishonorable, but it worked out that way.

Sorry you guys are having a hard time, but I think Expertish has had it a bit rougher. You paid your $$ & took your chances.
I usually agree with you Bruce, but not on this one. When the GB was first announced, it was Expertish who set the parameters, not the 'greedy' CG'ers. Jason chose how big to make this group-buy, how many people to include, how much he would charge, how many crates his truck could carry, etc etc. Unfortunately, he didn't know WTF he was doing and over-estimated his abilities while underestimating his costs. I doubt he intended to rip anyone off but being stupid and irresponsible is no excuse. People trusted him with their money. He took that money and spent it SOMEWHERE and to this day, 12 months later know one has gotten a straight answer where it went. Did he get mugged? Did he stop in Vegas on his way back from Prescott?

Many people do not know that up until mid August of last year Jason was sitting on TWO brand new "Sun Welding" brand rifle safes. These were nice sized safes; 6 feet tall. One was 30" wide and the other 36" wide. He waited until August to advertise them on Craigslist, describing them as "Brand New" and stating that he bought them for his gun store but the location wasn't ready so he'll just buy new ones again later. He doesn't say when he bought them exactly, but regardless, he should have put them in the CG trader IMMEDIATELY (like back in March) when he knew he screwed up and couldn't pay back the people he ripped off. He describes them as being worth $1,500 separately, so that's $3,000 he could have put towards the payback. I'm guessing he used money from the group buy to purchase the safes, thinking he would make more money later to pay back his debts... who knows, all we can do is guess since he hasn't mentioned the safes EVER. It's been 6 months since the Craigslist ads, did he spend the money or is that where a few people got paid back? Who knows.

Months before the Safes went up for sale on craigslist, someone caught him advertising a WTB ad for a car. When confronted, he explained it as an ad for his Dad and little brother, that THEY were the ones looking for a fun project car. Well damn, if I was entrusted with a bunch of money from fellow gun enthusiasts on CG and mysteriously couldn't pay it back... and my Dad had $2,000 laying around to blow on a project car, I would MAN UP and borrow the $2,000 from my Dad and get these people paid back ASAP.

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I usually agree with you Bruce, but not on this one. When the GB was first announced, it was Expertish who set the parameters, not the 'greedy' CG'ers. Jason chose how big to make this group-buy, how many people to include, how much he would charge, how many crates his truck could carry, etc etc. Unfortunately, he didn't know WTF he was doing and over-estimated his abilities while underestimating his costs. I doubt he intended to rip anyone off but being stupid and irresponsible is no excuse. People trusted him with their money. He took that money and spent it SOMEWHERE and to this day, 12 months later know one has gotten a straight answer where it went. Did he get mugged? Did he stop in Vegas on his way back from Prescott?

Many people do not know that up until mid August of last year Jason was sitting on TWO brand new "Sun Welding" brand rifle safes. These were nice sized safes; 6 feet tall. One was 30" wide and the other 36" wide. He waited until August to advertise them on Craigslist, describing them as "Brand New" and stating that he bought them for his gun store but the location wasn't ready so he'll just buy new ones again later. He doesn't say when he bought them exactly, but regardless, he should have put them in the CG trader IMMEDIATELY (like back in March) when he knew he screwed up and couldn't pay back the people he ripped off. He describes them as being worth $1,500 separately, so that's $3,000 he could have put towards the payback. I'm guessing he used money from the group buy to purchase the safes, thinking he would make more money later to pay back his debts... who knows, all we can do is guess since he hasn't mentioned the safes EVER. It's been 6 months since the Craigslist ads, did he spend the money or is that where a few people got paid back? Who knows.

Months before the Safes went up for sale on craigslist, someone caught him advertising a WTB ad for a car. When confronted, he explained it as an ad for his Dad and little brother, that THEY were the ones looking for a fun project car. Well damn, if I was entrusted with a bunch of money from fellow gun enthusiasts on CG and mysteriously couldn't pay it back... and my Dad had $2,000 laying around to blow on a project car, I would MAN UP and borrow the $2,000 from my Dad and get these people paid back ASAP.

Just my 2 cents.
wonder where he got the cash to start up that business?

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..and let's not forget the Vegas trip last year where he and his wife were whooping it up with everyone's money.

Oh, forgot. He said it was 'his wife's' money.
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Sorry for the lagging in updates. Wife and I both wound up unemployed which sucked, but it is what it is. I will be able to get out the next round of refunds in a week or two as I have taken a short term gig in Miami which I leave for tonight. I'll be there for two months and will have my computer and everyone's info with me. With some luck the last half of the refunds will be taken care of inside of those 2 months.
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All I read is "I'm leaving and going to a state where court judgments cannot attach retirement income."
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I really hope the individuals the money has been stolen from, are relying on more than luck at this point.
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Lesson learned, do not run a group buy unless you want to end up with 5k surplus and take trips to Vegas and Miami.

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Other than the money, it's not something I am completely looking forward to. I'm leaving the wife and kids behind which I have never done for this long before.
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Get him served before he leaves the state.

Once he gets to FLA this loser is going to be gone for good.
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Old 02-04-2013, 3:15 PM
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Get him served before he leaves the state.

Once he gets to FLA this loser is going to be gone for good.
This

You'll also get default judgement in small claims if he doesn't return to defend himself.
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Get him served before he leaves the state.

Once he gets to FLA this loser is going to be gone for good.
And what facts and evidence are you basing this on? Are you somehow privy to my life in a way I am not even aware of? I didn't know I wasn't going to come back home to my family. That sucks.
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And what facts and evidence are you basing this on?
Your actions to date is all the evidence that I need, Jason.
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So leaving for Fl. He's leaving his wife to take the heat on any legal action. He's my hero!!
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My post was deleted? For what reason? And without even an explanation? I moderate a very large forum myself, and when I delete a post, I leave it intact and modify the contents with a reason as to why it was deleted. Not just blow it away without contacting the poster.

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