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Old 03-29-2014, 7:40 PM
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RobGR,

Yeah you are right.

It was literally amazing to see the turnout. There was so many people and all of them were working hard and wanted to contribute as much as they could.

If I were a richer man, I would pay for 1 or 2 of those big trashcans.

Very inspiring to see the huge turnout today
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Job well done guys/gals....

http://www.pe.com/local-news/riversi...peak-range.ece
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On the subject of trying to "advise" by approching shooters to clean up after them selves, by signs or as a representavive of a group,is a problem for the
BLM. They as a government agency, will not show any favours to any one group that might appear to represent the BLM.
However if the group can get declaration by government,well then the picture changes ie: "environmentlists" can protect a rat or flower or a bug to the exclusion of we the people, if the species is endangered. Go figure.
All we can do at this point as individuals, talk with other shooters and
only appeal to their ........common sense. It aint easy gents.
The cleanup efforts are part of showing that we are responsible for our actions.

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Just Amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Best Clean-Up Event I have ever seen

The amount of people all working toward a common Goal /// Clean-this Place UP !!!

The Generosity of so many people for the Lunch Fest !!!!!

And at the top of my personal list is that man on the loader bucket


From my count on the sign up sheet
We had 110 people !!!!!

In talking to members we had them as far as San Deigo to Big Bear

Here's my List of name of All the good people that did such a Great Job
Thank You for coming out and All the hard work
( I hope I get the names right as my wife and I read everyones sign-in _

Clknlyps2
Eat dirt
Mr lone Wolf
Retired
Soar 79
LEO
Boltmopar
Murkywater2a
Sohappy
Kalifornia
RobGR
Madbeans88
Mozzer
Bob7122
Ramrod55
Bungunglock29
Reilly
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Atlast357
Edwardscissorhnd
Jkgtsi
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Fyrstomper
TDB
Gutzyisac
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Darryllicht
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On the subject of trying to "advise" by approching shooters to clean up after them selves, by signs or as a representavive of a group,is a problem for the
BLM. They as a government agency, will not show any favours to any one group that might appear to represent the BLM.
However if the group can get declaration by government, then the picture changes ie: "environmentlists" can protect a rat or flower or a bug to the exclusion of we the people, if the species is endangered. Go figure.
All we can do at this point as individuals, talk with other shooters and
only appeal to their ........common sense. It aint easy gents.
The cleanup efforts are part of showing that we are responsible for our actions.
Take away the magnetic signs idea then and I'm a concerned shooter then educating the masses.

JUST BRAINSTORMING HERE AND SEEKING IDEAS/ADVICE... trying to come up with a way to prevent the need to clean this and other BLM areas across the state.

Why couldn't we set up a booth periodically at the entrance and just educate, as opposed to advise folks as they enter?

The BLM has already acknowledged Cal Guns via several awards/certificates for our efforts to clean many sites throughout Cali. BLM has also allowed us post/keep the sign at the entrance, so why couldn't we have a monthly booth/ez up manned by a few CGN members, errr concerned shooters? Plus many of us received "BLM Volunteer" pins today... so we are now official BLM Volunteers...??? LOL.
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2 thumbs up for Shayne and Shamrock Lift Rentals for that loader!
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2 thumbs up for Shayne and Shamrock Lift Rentals for that loader!




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Hip--Hip-- Hurray !
He and his family stayed and shot with us for hours afterwards, truly great people!
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I read the article, they just had to put this in;

"Kotlowski said that in addition to the trash issue, the agency is concerned about the use of automatic weapons, weapons which have had trigger assemblies modified, exploding targets and metal-piercing steel core ammo at the site."

Any person that know very little about firearms will only remember this part of the article! (FAIL!!)

....Thanks guys for all your efforts!
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:47 AM
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I have passed on the questions and concerns re our advising, via flyers and a booth, those who come to Steele Peak to keep the area clean. Once I receive the feedback, I will post here.

I will agree with chknlyps2 tho that it will not look good if the BLM found the ground littered with Calguns flyers advocating keeping the area clean.

Thanks to chknlyps and Eat Dirt for organizing this event, the many members and others who volunteered their time and hard work and those who donated food, drink and BBQ labor to make this a very successful event. Everyone should be proud of their efforts. I spoke with a few people who came to shoot, didn't know anything about the clean up, but stayed to help clean up. Kudos to them.

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can someone please post before and after pictures?
thanks, fyrstomper not fyrstumper lol

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I think a photo of the dumpster and the second pile will sum up the amount of trash that was spread out over the Peak. It's not just one spot at the Peak, it's everywhere. The consolidated heap makes it apparent just how much there was. Besides that, there's still more out there, a lot more.....
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I have passed on the questions and concerns re our advising, via flyers and a booth, those who come to Steele Peak to keep the area clean. Once I receive the feedback, I will post here.

I will agree with chknlyps2 tho that it will not look good if the BLM found the ground littered with Calguns flyers advocating keeping the area clean.

Thanks to chknlyps and Eat Dirt for organizing this event, the many members and others who volunteered their time and hard work and those who donated food, drink and BBQ labor to make this a very successful event. Everyone should be proud of their efforts. I spoke with a few people who came to shoot, didn't know anything about the clean up, but stayed to help clean up. Kudos to them.
Thanks Retired! I will await word from you or?
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can someone please post before and after pictures?
thanks, fyrstomper not fyrstumper lol



Opps !!!!!

At least I didn't put 'Fyrstarter'

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Just Amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Best Clean-Up Event I have ever seen

The amount of people all working toward a common Goal /// Clean-this Place UP !!!

The Generosity of so many people for the Lunch Fest !!!!!

And at the top of my personal list is that man on the loader bucket


From my count on the sign up sheet
We had 110 people !!!!!

In talking to members we had them as far as San Deigo to Big Bear

Here's my List of name of All the good people that did such a Great Job
Thank You for coming out and All the hard work
( I hope I get the names right as my wife and I read everyones sign-in _

Clknlyps2
Eat dirt
Mr lone Wolf
Retired
Soar 79
LEO
Boltmopar
Murkywater2a
Sohappy
Kalifornia
RobGR
Madbeans88
Mozzer
Bob7122
Ramrod55
Bungunglock29
Reilly
TurboJim
Atlast357
Edwardscissorhnd
Jkgtsi
stfdxco
Fyrstomper
TDB
Gutzyisac
B757dr
Darryllicht
Stitchnicklas
Prsabordo
Lgm118ibm
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Lwabcizen
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I'm guessing thats my name at the bottom, is my handwriting that bad??? Lol
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Here is the link to the thread by pennys dad, the CGSSA president, addressing some of the questions posed here. It is in this sub forum as a sticky:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=913717

That will be the thread for discussing Steele Peak clean up efforts and how we can get the word out NOT to make it a mess. Feel free to add to it.



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hey guys, just saw this, wished i could have made it out. if there is another clean up i would love to make it out, keep me in mind
thanks again for everyone who helped.

I have a local spot in the high desert we go to and its a complete dump. we always end up taking at least 2 trash bags full of trash when we leave
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Made some calls today, I was told chances are pretty good for a dumpster in 2 weeks or so. The County Supervisors office needs a couple days to work out the details before it is confirmed. I will post when I hear something.
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Made some calls today, I was told chances are pretty good for a dumpster in 2 weeks or so. The County Supervisors office needs a couple days to work out the details before it is confirmed. I will post when I hear something.
...2 weeks or so? In my experience; Government always moves slower than stated. Just remember that Easter is in 3 weeks!

Please let us know when it is finalized!
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But thanks for the update chknlyps2 let us know and I'm sure we will be there !! Great work guys!

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Hopefully the pile doesn't mysteriously gets larger as the weeks go on....
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ooooo i am ready for another cleanup in two weeks, keep us posted.
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I wonder how much of that trash is from lazy cheap people that don't want to go to the land fill or pay for trash service I bet a good portion is.
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Skiploader or "workbull", not backhoe. Not to take away from the op who provided the quantum level device. Bravo! Good sir. Carry on.
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So if I'm out to SP before the next clean up day, and I pick up extra trash/left targets stands, etc..... Is it ok to add to the trash pile? I'm shooting at steel targets so none of the trash should be mine.
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I will be there Saturday and will post a pic of pile here. I will bring a bag or two extra home.

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What a great and successful event.

I would like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to our CGSSA/C3/Calguns moderators and specialists for an out standing and well coordinated effort; Mr. chknlyps2, Eat Dirt and Retired my hat goes off to you.

At the same time a big thank you goes to the office, officers and personnel of the Bureau of Land Management for their support and presence at this community event.

To all the Calguns members, family and friends; to all the concern residents and hobby enthusiast who kindly attended the call and join this effort Thank you for your hard work and dedication..

Always looking forward to the next one.

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Is it ok to add to the trash pile?
The answer to this questions is pretty simple, NO.

We can not add more foreign materials to the existing pile, if any materials and/or targets are touched or used by any individual during his shooting session, those materials must be removed from the location by the same person after he is done shooting.


If you touch it it yours.
If you shoot it is yours.


Please allow me to elaborate.

As you already know, a similar clean up effort was conducted by a local gun shop a couple of weeks before our clean up. Evidently that effort failed by the lack of removal of trash and foreign materials.

There is no doubt that they were able to collect trash from different parts of that location but that was it, in reality the pollutants were still there just concentrated in a very dense pile, same that became a nuisance and we are still dealing with the aftermath. Perhaps a good intention from the part of the local vendor but his lack of follow through is evident and created a problem rather than a solution.

As you noticed, the remotion of that trash took pretty much half of the trash container dedicated to the last weekend clean up effort, it was a no brainer and the right thing to do but, it greatly diminished the available volume in the trash container creating an overflow and domino effect leading to the same initial scenario, we still have that big pile of trash to deal with.

This is the kind of situation that we always try to avoid, proper planning, logistics and available resources are always taken into consideration for our efforts, as we speak chknlyps2 is coordinating with the Riverside authorities in order to get another container and effectively clean and remove pollutants from that place.


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...As you already know, a similar clean up effort was conducted by a local gun shop a couple of weeks before our clean up. Evidently that effort failed by the lack of removal of trash and foreign materials...
The rangers actually stated Saturday that if Bullseye has anymore cleanups and fails to remove all trash they cleanup, they will receive a nice fine for not doing so! It is after all a huge fire hazard!
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The answer to this questions is pretty simple, NO.

We can not add more foreign materials to the existing pile, if any materials and/or targets are touched or used by any individual during his shooting session, those materials must be removed from the location by the same person after he is done shooting.


If you touch it it yours.
If you shoot it is yours.


Please allow me to elaborate.

As you already know, a similar clean up effort was conducted by a local gun shop a couple of weeks before our clean up. Evidently that effort failed by the lack of removal of trash and foreign materials.

There is no doubt that they were able to collect trash from different parts of that location but that was it, in reality the pollutants were still there just concentrated in a very dense pile, same that became a nuisance and we are still dealing with the aftermath. Perhaps a good intention from the part of the local vendor but his lack of follow through is evident and created a problem rather than a solution.

As you noticed, the remotion of that trash took pretty much half of the trash container dedicated to the last weekend clean up effort, it was a no brainer and the right thing to do but, it greatly diminished the available volume in the trash container creating an overflow and domino effect leading to the same initial scenario, we still have that big pile of trash to deal with.

This is the kind of situation that we always try to avoid, proper planning, logistics and available resources are always taken into consideration for our efforts, as we speak chknlyps2 is coordinating with the Riverside authorities in order to get another container and effectively clean and remove pollutants from that place.


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Ok, I'll pick up what I can get rid of. Only reason I was asking is because of the pile we left on Saturday and since another bin was in the works I figured..... But I understand that the pile is a problem. Thanks for an answer.
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...2 weeks or so? In my experience; Government always moves slower than stated. Just remember that Easter is in 3 weeks!

Please let us know when it is finalized!
I know what you mean but in this case Riverside County Supervisor Kevin Jeffries is on our side. When the article first came out in the Press Enterprise he asked how his office could help. A few emails later with his chief of staff we were informed we had a dumpster for a fall clean up. That is why I called yesterday to see if we could get it now.

Below is a quote from the Supervisors Newsletter that came out just a day or 2 before the clean up. I was given permission to quote it. I put in bold the last half because it shows the support the supervisors office is showing you guys that are willing to go out and make a difference.
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The Steele Peak Shooting Area in Good Hope is one of the last free, public shooting areas in the region. Unfortunately, irresponsible shooters and illegal dumpers have damaged and littered the area to the point where the Bureau of Land Management is considering closing the area. This Saturday, April 29th, from 8am until noon, Cal Guns has organized a volunteer clean-up day so that people can help restore the area and eliminate some of the hazards that have been left behind. This is not an official county sanctioned event, but we will be working with Cal Guns and other organizations in the future to help clean and maintain the area. If this area is closed, it will almost certainly result in more illegal shooting dispersed around the county in less safe environments, so Supervisor Jeffries supports efforts by responsible gun owners and other community members to keep this area safe, clean, and open.
It is nice to see a public official showing support for responsible gun owners.
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I know what you mean but in this case Riverside County Supervisor Kevin Jeffries is on our side. When the article first came out in the Press Enterprise he asked how his office could help. A few emails later with his chief of staff we were informed we had a dumpster for a fall clean up. That is why I called yesterday to see if we could get it now.

Below is a quote from the Supervisors Newsletter that came out just a day or 2 before the clean up. I was given permission to quote it. I put in bold the last half because it shows the support the supervisors office is showing you guys that are willing to go out and make a difference.


It is nice to see a public official showing support for responsible gun owners.
Wow that is impressive!
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Saw the huge dumpster full of trash. You guys did a great job cleaning the place. Thank you very much to everyone who volunteered.

Drove up and saw that some spot including my favorite shooting spot is now off limits with no shooting sign clearly staked down. Just wondering why? Safety?
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Saw the huge dumpster full of trash. You guys did a great job cleaning the place. Thank you very much to everyone who volunteered.

Drove up and saw that some spot including my favorite shooting spot is now off limits with no shooting sign clearly staked down. Just wondering why? Safety?
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Saw the huge dumpster full of trash. You guys did a great job cleaning the place. Thank you very much to everyone who volunteered.

Drove up and saw that some spot including my favorite shooting spot is now off limits with no shooting sign clearly staked down. Just wondering why? Safety?
The BLM Rangers placed all that new signage Saturday. I believe they also marked some unsafe spots as closed. Stray projectiles have hit homes and one even hit the local fire station not to long ago!
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Just a fyi: During the first clean up (2012 IIRC), two of the rangers advised me the area on the right, at the bottom of the hill when you first drive in, is too close to the road for shooting. The rangers said the area was less than 150yrds. from the road and therefore not permitted.

Since I do not go there to shoot other than during the cleanups, I have no idea if they cited people for shooting there the last couple of years. I would surmise something occurred recently that prompted the signage being posted Saturday.
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Just a fyi: During the first clean up (2012 IIRC), two of the rangers advised me the area on the right, at the bottom of the hill when you first drive in, is too close to the road for shooting. The rangers said the area was less than 150yrds. from the road and therefore not permitted.

Since I do not go there to shoot other than during the cleanups, I have no idea if they cited people for shooting there the last couple of years. I would surmise something occurred recently that prompted the signage being posted Saturday.
It's also the area where the lazy people go...

Too lazy to walk up the hill = too lazy to pick up their trash!

I'm sure the green BLM stakes were simply to replace the ones that the knuckleheads shot up in the last year! I cleaned up 4-5 of those fiberglass stakes out on the backside that had been shot to S#!t!!!
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